What is your opinion on Republicans who support Donald Trump?

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What should become of me, The Arizonan. How should I be punished?

You've been punished enough just by being who you are for the rest of your life

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You guys are so insulated in your liberal bubbles you can't even imagine a good person who happens to support Trump. Get help.

Screw that! Trump is not a normal politician and I’m sick of this damn gaslighting by rwers and cynical indies over it. This is a man who just recently has been making death threats to the person who blew the whistle on his blatant abuse of office. Who set up an immigration policy of kidnapping kids and placing them in concentration camps, and tonight at his rally attacked Somalian refugees (not illegal immigrates) freaking refugees fleeing civil war and bragged to applause about how much he cut down our refugee program. He’s a disgusting human being who has launched an all out war on our countries institutions and everything as a country we should stand for. And if you look at that and more and support him your at best a partisan hack who is party before all else and at worst a sociopath

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You guys are so insulated in your liberal bubbles you can't even imagine a good person who happens to support Trump. Get help.

Today at 06:12:29 am

In the impeachment megathread I posted a letter from Mike Gallagher to my GOP mother expressing his grave concerns about Donald Trump.

I went to middle and high school in Denmark, WI, in the heart of conservative rural northeast Wisconsin. I went to evangelical churches for over 10 years. My parents (both GOP) and in-laws still live in Green Bay and Appleton, and my in-laws are white, 60-something evangelicals.

With respect, sir, liberal bubble my a**.

If, today, 10 Oct 2019, you still stand by this president, you either lack morals and a love of this country, you are willfully ignoring the facts, or you are delusional. There aren't two sides to this.

Yes there is rofl

There is clearly the side where people understand Trump is at the very least a bad person (if not worse) but also understand that the office of the presidency is one principally involved in signing off on laws and the direction of the country. A president is not a pope. The alternative to Trump for millions of Americans is someone who believes government and the laws it creates should be fundamentally different from their core beliefs. Of course most people value the practical over some supposed moral requirement to vote for laws they don’t support or believe in.

People are also tired of liberals trying to shame them into agreeing to liberal policies on moral grounds. Liberals do this all the time and it is honestly incredibly annoying to anyone who does not agree with them.

Plenty of conservatives would be perfectly happy with a Marco Rubio or Mitt Romney as president, and plenty of conservatives remember when the left of center media painted Romney as a terrible person as a result of his committing the sin of being the Republican nominee for president. Thus we arrived at a terrible boy who cried wolf scenario in which no one cared when everyone screamed and cried about what a sh**tty person Trump is, even if most of them know it to be true. They just don’t care because they want to see the policies they want enacted by government enacted by government, just like liberals do. It isn’t even about winning, it’s about believing the country respects your beliefs and will, some of the time, enact laws that correspond to those beliefs.

It’s basic human psychology. When you label people deplorable simply because they don’t agree with your ideas they don’t care what you have to say even when you’re right.

You know what you’re right. Us libtard, snowflake, moonbat, bleeding heart, soy boy, npc, cucks shouldn’t call Trumpers names. Nor should we condescend toward them but what do you expect we’re all on welfare because we all have useless degrees in gender studies and we lack good work ethics. Let’s face it at the end of the day we aren’t real Americans anyway

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I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

What they don’t understand is that this type of attitude is precisely why we got Trump in the first place. No, those who disagree with you politically aren’t “deplorable” or “evil”. Calling them such names because of their political beliefs only harden them against your position.

Issues matter. Say what you want about the President, but at least he’s not turned out to be a gun-grabbing, late-term abortion loving scold who wants to take away our cars and hamburgers in the name of “climate change” and strip tax-exempt status from churches that dare not bend to the liberal orthodoxy of the day. Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan, most voters realize that their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

And as I sarcastically pointed out this argument you guys make is a complete one way street. Hell practically every Trump 2020 sticker has a reference to “triggers the libs”. So spare me the disingenuous argument that conservatives treat liberals only as Americans they have political differences with because I got a whole thread from the summer when the biggest applause line at CPAC was Charlie Kirk saying liberals aren’t Americans but the enemy  

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I’m sorry but this is ridiculous cinyc you’re a grown ass adult you can’t tell me that you can legitimately look at Trump’s conduct and think that liberal outrage towards him is just fake partisan outrage. Like you legitimately think Romney or Jeb would be causing such social upheaval?

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I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

WRONG.

It's not about abortion and taxes and guns for the most part. It's about incompetence, untrustworthiness, destroying America's reputation, national security, being the country the Constitution and Statue of Liberty indicate that we are, treating foreigners and asylum seekers with human dignity, democracy, three seperate but EQUAL branches of government, rule of law, accountability, foreign influence, corruption, partisanship in the most inappropriate situations, doing right by Americans and our allies, and a piece of s__t we should NOT be using as any sort of role model setting the political and cultural tone for the whole country, including taking 2 days to condemn white nationalist terrorists and usong the bully pulpit to attack those with legitimate criticisms.

But at the end of the day, support for Trump IS about abortion and guns and immigration and other issues. If Trump were not delivering for his base on his issues - or at least stopping the “progressive” “advance” on them, his support would be much lower. Issues matter. Judges matter.

And I stand by my point - most Atlas Democrats would be - or have - said the same thing about supporters of President Bush, and had this forum been around earlier, the other President Bush and President Reagan.

If Republicans had their priorities straight and actually believed in American values, all the stuff I mentoned wluld be more important to them than guns and abortion.

Your priorites aren’t the same as most Republicans. And that’s okay. Claiming that they don’t beleive in “American values” because they disagree with your priorities is a bit rich. In America, we’re allowed to have different political priorities than the Democrats dictate. It’s a free country.

Again you’re decrying leftist Atlas posters for using rhetoric the right uses all the time. Hell accusing your opponent of not having American values because they disagree with you has been a stable of republican rhetoric since Nixon

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I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

What they don’t understand is that this type of attitude is precisely why we got Trump in the first place. No, those who disagree with you politically aren’t “deplorable” or “evil”. Calling them such names because of their political beliefs only harden them against your position.

Issues matter. Say what you want about the President, but at least he’s not turned out to be a gun-grabbing, late-term abortion loving scold who wants to take away our cars and hamburgers in the name of “climate change” and strip tax-exempt status from churches that dare not bend to the liberal orthodoxy of the day. Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan, most voters realize that their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

Supporting criminal acts is considered a political view now?  Sad.  Myself and many others like me don't have an issue with Trump because of his politics such abortion, taxes, etc.  I have a problem with him because he willingly breaks the law over & over again.  Thats not a political issue.  Our country won't survive if that is normalized and swept under the rug as "political views".

Some people will look past alleged “criminal acts”, especially if they think the “criminality” of those acts are being ginned up by hyper-partisans who literally hate the President and them. This is doubly true when those people like Trump’s poisiton on abortion, taxes, etc. Again, to many, their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

That doesn’t make those people evil, like practically every Democratic poster on this thread has claimed. That makes them realists.

Asking a foreign power to investigate a political opponent with the intention of influencing our elections isn't like getting a parking ticket.  Its not a low level campaign finance violation.  Its not even equivalent to Watergate.  This isn't even an allegation.  This is what Trump SAYS he is doing.  I'll stand by what I said.

This. Seriously blue avatars are bashingvthe red avatar reactions but you put this latest scandal in proper context and then realize how little republicans care well it’s really hard not to think the worst

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Never, ever said that Biden's son is beyond scrutiny.  We're talking about asking a foreign governement to investigate a man because he's running for President.  If you think Biden's son committed a crime (or Biden), sure, please elaborate on what crime you think he committed?  We have a functioning criminal justice system in this country that is capable of investigating potential crimes.  I've yet to hear from Trump a single crime that he thinks Joe Biden committed.  If you've heard Trump articulate an alleged crime that needs to be pursued, please let me and everyone else know.  Our criminal justice system, especially under Bill Barr, would definitely pick that up and begin an investigation.  So far, all I've heard from Trump is that we need to "look into" Biden.  Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  Its not his job to investigate anyone.  Period.

If Republicans don't view this as foreign interference, I unfortunately can't change ignorance.  Do you have another word for asking the Ukrainian Prime Minister to investigate Joe Biden?  Can you explain why Trump NEVER expressed an interest in this supposed issue until the Democratic Primary commeneced?  Can you, again, name a single crime that there is evidence Biden committed?

How do you expect the Attorney General to investigate the Bidens' potentially criminal activity in Ukraine without help from Ukraine? That's precisely what Trump asked the Ukranian President to do - cooperate with the AG about potential wrongdoing.

As for the alleged "crime", Joe Biden bragged on tape that he got the former Ukraine AG-equivalent prosecutor fired. That prosecutor claims he was fired because he was looking into the company for which Hunter Biden was on the board of directors. Don't American people deserve to know whether the sitting Vice President of the United States was abusing his power to enrich his son? Why are Democrats so scared that Trump asked for this to be investigated? Are they afraid of the answer?

And you're damn right I would have called Obama out if he did that.  It would have been a repugnant abuse of his office.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's probe into the origins of the Russian investigation is complete.

My god you’re a Fox News sheep like literally everything you posted has been debunked weeks ago and that’s not even getting into the bs about the Russian investigation

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Yes, we would. That's the difference between us and the so-called party of personal responsibility.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's investigation into the origins of the Russia probe are complete, too.

And I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get bogged down in a debate about impeachment as you call it. That would just prove that you are Republican first and American second. And you're crying and whining and moaning and simpering about but the Democrats would do it to just makes you seem pathetic. Pathetic.

This whole idea that if you oppose impeachment you're not an American is pure, unadulterated BS. Sorry. This isn't a dictatorship where anything but the Badger way (a.k.a. the Democratic party way) is "un-American." Funny how dissent from the Democratic party line is never "patriotic" - but "un-American" or racist or some other ist, and Republicans can't be Americans, too.

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Ugh.. I just want Cynic to tell me what the crime is that he thinks Joe Biden allegedly committed?  The crime that requires the President to conduct his own personal investigation outside boundries of US law enforcement?

Please... don't keep me waiting.

If the investigation shows that Biden used his influence to help his son’s companies, that’s using the office of the Vice President to enrich his son - a derivation of bribery. I suspect that if you exchanged the name “Hunter Biden” with “Eric Trump”, you and all the red avatars would clearly see that.

You keep ignoring the question.  Investigation of WHAT?  We dont investigate people just because they’re running against the President.  Why are we investigating him?? This is what Im asking.  You’re not dumb.  I know you know this is wrong.

You already know why Biden was calling for the Prosecutor to be fired.  Every single news organization has reported it.  Stop making crap up dude!

I've told you about 5 times investigation of WHAT - misuse of the Vice President's office to benefit and enrich Biden's son. Again, if Hunter Biden's name were Eric Trump, I suspect you and most red avatars would be singing a different tune about opening up an investigation.

Just because "every single news organization" has "reported" why Biden claims he wanted the prosecutor to be fired doesn't make Biden's claim true. The fired Ukranian prosecutor has said under oath that he was fired to stop an investigation into Burisma Holdings, Biden's company. True or not, I don't know. But I know I don't take Joe Biden's word or the prosecutor's words at face value, nor should you or anyone else.

Asking someone to cooperate with the AG to investigate a potential crime isn't a crime. That's what the transcript shows Trump did. Let there be an investigation and the chips fall where they may. What are you, Biden and the Democrats afraid of?

There is no proof Biden used his office to help his son or the company so the alleged crime is baseless to begin with. And as stated multiple times a lot of countries were pushing to have prosecutor fired because he was corrupt so his accusations again have no proof to it (that’s also completely ignoring the fact that he wasn’t investigating the company at all). Lastly you keep sidestepping the fact that he asked the president to work with Rudy

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cinyc, how about you provide some evidence of your claims? (Preferable in a thread about Biden, rather than here where it's obvious that you're just trying to blow smoke so that Republicans don't have to face the reality that supporting Trump is indefensible.)

The fired prosecutor, Victor Shokin stated in a sworn affidavit:

"8. The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors."

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

I have replied in a more appropriate thread. I'm certainly not demanding you discuss impeachment as such in this specific thread. (There's a thread for that, too!) However, you have demonstrated an unwillingness to post on the topic here: Republicans who support Mr. Trump, despite his open criminal behavior, flagrant corruption and gross unfitness for the office he abuses. I can only conclude that you agree his behavior is unsupportable, but refuse to admit it. (Likely because it is not defensible, and those who do so only lower themselves by doing so, just like Rudy.)

I posted plenty about this. It's Democratic smear attempt to claim that 40+% of the population is stupid or evil or "un-American" because they support the President. That's a farce made up by partisan Democrats and disrespects 40+% of the electorate. It's also the type of crap that got Trump elected in the first place.

Call voters names at your own peril. Doing so will further galvanize Trump's base in 2020. And they're not going to vote for some "progressive" Democrat that they fundamentally disagree with on the issues, especially after Democrats call them every name in the book.

So why does this offend you but how republicans talk about democrats don’t? Honestly don’t bother cause at this point it’s clear you’re a massive hypocrite