Does female ordination go against the core values of Christianity? (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 29, 2024, 03:42:38 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Discussion
  Religion & Philosophy (Moderator: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.)
  Does female ordination go against the core values of Christianity? (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: ?
#1
Yes (Christian)
 
#2
Yes (Non-Christian)
 
#3
No (Christian)
 
#4
No (Non-Christian)
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 37

Author Topic: Does female ordination go against the core values of Christianity?  (Read 1676 times)
LabourJersey
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,233
United States


« on: December 10, 2023, 09:22:29 PM »

No. 

1. Female deacons are explicitly mentioned in the Bible, and deacons are generally considered to be ordained.

2. Ordination of women as lead ministers of a congregation does rely on a non-literal/culturally specific interpretation of St. Paul, but as a generally theologically conservative Wesleyan*, I still believe that interpretation is reasonable.  The alternative, literal interpretation is also defensible, though.  However, congregations that are super literal about St. Paul's words on this subject, but don't allow #1 (and don't have head coverings for women today, or allowed men to worship in wigs in Colonial times because that was the fashion of the day, etc.) strike me as contradictory and to some degree hypocritical. 

*Endorsing ordination of women as ministers has unfortunately become associated with also endorsing extremely theologically liberal stuff like the "sparkle creed."  This doesn't have to be the case.  The conservative and moderate Methodists need to get better organized.
I'd never heard of this "sparkle creed" so I looked it up.

Quote
“I believe in the non-binary God whose pronouns are plural.

“I believe in Jesus Christ, their child, who wore a fabulous tunic and had two dads and saw everyone as a sibling-child of God.

“I believe in the rainbow Spirit, who shatters our image of one white light and refracts it into a rainbow of gorgeous diversity.

“I believe in the church of everyday saints as numerous, creative, and resilient as patches on the AIDS quilt, whose feet are grounded in mud and whose eyes gaze at the stars in wonder.

“I believe in the calling to each of us that love is love is love, so beloved, let us love.

“I believe, glorious God. Help my unbelief.

“Amen.”

Even as a non-Christian, and one who is gay on top of that, this is one of the most revolting pieces of blasphemy I've seen in a long time. Lord help these people.

I'm currently synagogue hunting and I've had to keep my eyes peeled for nonsense like this, because it really has conquered a frightening number of Jewish congregations too.

I'm fairly well versed in liberal/progressive Christianity (even though I don't belong to a progressive parish) and have genuinely never heard of this creed. It's bad, obviously, but like a lot of "Woke Christian" viral things, it's important to keep in mind that the vast majority of Christians, even liberal Christians, don't know or like that.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.021 seconds with 13 queries.