Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread

[LabourJersey]

No surprise. Biden is hilariously underrated on this forum (I mean the Democratic primary, not the GE), and there’s no way he’ll be the Jeb Bush of 2020. The Democratic electorate isn’t nearly as flexible as the Republican electorate.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but why do you think that? Biden may have more appeal among Democrats than Bush did with 2016 Republicans, but I'm not entirely sure if that's because of "flexibility"

[LabourJersey]

Biden is a gaffe machine. Bernie or Harris will be the nominee.

Did he make any serious gaffes during his time as Vice President?

Compared to the rest of his political career Biden was kept on a very tight ship language-wise as VP. But I don't think he's going to have the same structure (Obama staff, etc) keeping him disciplined and on message.

He was fine as VP aside from the dumb "they're gonna put y'all in chains" thing from 2012. But when he ran in 2008 he was god awful: the vaguely anti-Indian jokes, discussing how "clean" Obama was, the "Stand up Chuck" incident.

Those kinds of 2007/08 gaffes would be so intensified in the modern media landscape too.

[LabourJersey]

Biden is a gaffe machine. Bernie or Harris will be the nominee.

Did he make any serious gaffes during his time as Vice President?

Compared to the rest of his political career Biden was kept on a very tight ship language-wise as VP. But I don't think he's going to have the same structure (Obama staff, etc) keeping him disciplined and on message.

He was fine as VP aside from the dumb "they're gonna put y'all in chains" thing from 2012. But when he ran in 2008 he was god awful: the vaguely anti-Indian jokes, discussing how "clean" Obama was, the "Stand up Chuck" incident.

Those kinds of 2007/08 gaffes would be so intensified in the modern media landscape too.

To be fair, he recently made a gave when he said to have no empathy for millenials. Even though it was taken out of context, such comments can hurt hurt him.

Wow I completely forgot about the millenials things. That's absolutely going to hurt him.

[LabourJersey]

Biden is a gaffe machine. Bernie or Harris will be the nominee.

Did he make any serious gaffes during his time as Vice President?

Compared to the rest of his political career Biden was kept on a very tight ship language-wise as VP. But I don't think he's going to have the same structure (Obama staff, etc) keeping him disciplined and on message.

He was fine as VP aside from the dumb "they're gonna put y'all in chains" thing from 2012. But when he ran in 2008 he was god awful: the vaguely anti-Indian jokes, discussing how "clean" Obama was, the "Stand up Chuck" incident.

Those kinds of 2007/08 gaffes would be so intensified in the modern media landscape too.

To be fair, he recently made a gave when he said to have no empathy for millenials. Even though it was taken out of context, such comments can hurt hurt him.

Wow I completely forgot about the millenials things. That's absolutely going to hurt him.

I don't think it would. Biden will probably thrive on the votes of older party loyalists. This won't be something that turns them off. Millennials are probably already supporting other candidates anyway.

You don't think a comment like that would hurt him in the general? Trump isn't going to try to get young people to vote for him--he's going to try to encourage young people to stay home.

Putting an ad of that comment all over the internet in October would absolutely hurt Biden.

[LabourJersey]

A decent response, though I don't think that's going to make the entire issue go away.

[LabourJersey]

He's crazy to think he can win.

He CAN win the nomination, but I honestly doubt it. He has no money compared to Sanders, Harris, O'Rourke and even Buttigieg, and his baggage is going to be aired non-stop this summer and fall.

He might even drop out before South Carolina.

[LabourJersey]

I wonder if the delay is due to genuine indecision or just incompetence on the part of his staff. I'm guessing the latter for now.

[LabourJersey]

Joe Biden has a 80s, 90s mindset as a politician.

This doesn’t fit today’s Democratic Party and that’s why he’ll collapse to ca. 5% by Christmas.

I'll bump this if he's still leading by that time.

I mean, Biden has done literally nothing in this speculation phase that suggests he has the political instinct to win. I think any political observer would be shocked to see him still leading the pack by Christmas.

[LabourJersey]

This video honestly looks cheap, especially with that font for the Declaration of Independence lines.

[LabourJersey]

If he wins it fine, but I will be apart of any movement to draft Stacey Abrams or Kamala Harris to Primary him in 2024.

I'd be stunned if he would even run for a second term. It seems like he is going for a "unity candidate" feel, and a one-term pledge sounds about right for that.

[LabourJersey]

https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1129003005502787584

It's really, really too early to determine whether or not the pundits over or underestimated Joe Biden.

At least wait until the debates--if Biden does poorly than these takes are gone. If he does well than this discussion can be had