Opinion of Banned Posters: Adam Griffin

[Torie]

Far be it from me to side with the anti-Mod sh*t-stirrers in general, but this was clearly out of line.  Agree with Sim, Crabcake, bedstuy of course.  At this point, knowing what we know, whether they think it's fair or not the Mods are going to have to walk back a couple of their recent actions if they want the populace in general to regain their trust.  Normally I would be satisfied with an explanation (and perhaps if Dave himself descended from the sky that would be an additional point-in-favor), but this is an extraordinary case in which legalisms will only feed our distrust and should instead be replaced with an attempt to make whole, rather than just move on.  

At a minimum, AG should be unbanned and BK's ban should be clearly made temporary.  Knowing what we know about the deliberations (and given his far-better behavior on AAD), I think that an unban of CountryClassSF, of all people, would also be particularly warranted.  I'm pretty easily satisfied; that's all I'd demand personally.  Others might want more, like say de-modding Joe Republic (who is a good and funny poster 95% of the time but whose anger issues and questionable objectivity make him a poor fit for modship).  Some things are too far gone: Tweed of course can rot in hell and so can his defenders; opebo isn't coming back, and those who worship him aren't coming back either- it's a genuine shame that people like Lewis have fallen into that sad bubble, but some hearts and minds are just too hardened against dialogue and reconciliation. But I choose to believe that the Atlas team can repair some of the damage, and it would be in their best interest to choose compassion over legalism and do so.

Putting aside CCSF (what he is doing on another site is not really relevant, and that ban decision was extensively discussed in the Cave, and was a divided decision where all the competing considerations were fully aired, and is not a part of the recent events), what you are advocating Train, is really a decision for Dave to make. He has to decide how he feels about the theft and the subsequent events,(it's severity and what he thinks constitutes behavior that cannot be forgiven, and what if any he thinks can),  and the relationship of this site to AAD, and what this site's policies should be towards it. It is a bad situation, I very much agree (and now AAD is doing counter bannings). So, with that said, you might PM Dave with your thoughts.

[Torie]

There was a supra majority regarding CCSF's ban, and one or two Mods came up with creative and novel approaches, that were not accepted, but in the end, it is not the vote count, but how the discussion influences Nym. It is just that if the Mod team is closely divided, or a majority against, that makes Nym more reluctant to ban. And I think there was at least one instance, where despite a supra majority for a ban, for quite a period of time, Nym was not persuaded. And then there was barfbag, where I was the lone Mod against a ban, and Nym agreed to let me try to rehabilitate him. Obviously that did not work out. Each ban decision, and its dynamics, is very fact specific.

Dave generally is unresponsive, but he has been very active lately, and is quite concerned about all that has transpired - and very much saddened by it. So I would give a PM a try Train.

[Torie]

The lawyer in me has so much to say about all of this

Why then don't you just then say it counselor?