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Calthrina950
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« on: November 26, 2019, 03:27:38 PM »

What a vague and arbitrary question. How do you define racism? By modern and especially Atlas standards 90% or more of white southerners (and whites in most areas of the US)  would have been “racist” until the 80s or 90s. What do you define as the South? Only the former confederacy or do you include Oklahoma, Kentucky and West Virginia?

By modern standards and having a loose definition for the South Truman and LBJ most likely beat Thurmond and Goldwater in this “demographic” by virtue of winning more (and generally states with a larger voting population) Southern states. In regards to 28, 52, 56, 68 and 76 it was probably quite close and for 60 I’d give JFK an advantage.

Truman in particular probably got a plurality of such voters, given that in contrast to Johnson, he also carried Georgia, and did so by the typical landslide margin that Democrats obtained in the state at every election prior to 1964. In Georgia in particular, Truman beat Thurmond and Dewey 61-20-18, prevailing over their combined totals by a margin of 23%. And in 1964, Johnson won the votes of many deeply racist, pro-segregationist whites throughout the Upper South, particularly in states like Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina, because of their objections to Goldwater's domestic and foreign policy proposals, particularly war (ironically enough), the TVA, and federal farming subsidies. In South Carolina, Louisiana, and Georgia, it's obvious that many racist whites still voted for Johnson, since he cleared 40% in those states. Even in Mississippi, Johnson got over a third of the vote in Northeastern counties that were part of the TVA's mandate and had some concerns about Goldwater's economic policy, though race won out for them more, as it did for the entire state.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2019, 05:42:21 PM »

Why didn’t the unpledged Democratic electors win in Alabama in 1964?

The Goldwater tide swept Alabama like it did the other Deep Southern states. Even if Johnson had been on the ballot, I don't think he would have done any better than the Unpledged Electors did. The Civil Rights backlash that year was too intense, and a Republican victory in Alabama was basically inevitable at that point, given the confused situation of 1960.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2019, 01:33:13 AM »

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

This is true, but of course, it can't be forgotten that virtually all the Thurmond-Wallace counties, bar the ones in the Black Belt where blacks were disenfranchised prior to 1965, went overwhelmingly for Nixon in 1972. Those Northern Alabama counties which you mention (i.e. Colbert, Lawrence Counties) were among them. Those counties did revert to the Democrats in 1976, and it wasn't until George W. Bush won them in 2004 that they flipped Republican permanently. I believe these same counties also voted for Mondale in 1984.
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