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Bacon King
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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2015, 11:50:16 AM »


The surrogates of the Freedom Caucus are making a huge deal about this - the talking point is "the Motion to Vacate was created by a great American, Thomas Jefferson. Why does Paul Ryan want to erase the Founding Fathers' legacy??"
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Bacon King
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« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2015, 01:53:57 PM »

Paul Ryan has either signed away most of the powers held by the Speaker, or set himself up for failure when he Freedom Caucus inevitably revolts against him for not giving up those powers
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Bacon King
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« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2015, 05:16:52 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 05:19:15 PM by Bacon 😎 »

Paul Ryan has either signed away most of the powers held by the Speaker, or set himself up for failure when he Freedom Caucus inevitably revolts against him for not giving up those powers
Could you explain please?

Yes, I don't get it either. Ryan per the article has ceded nothing, other than ignoring the FC's stupid rule endorsements. He's saying a majority of the FC is enough for him. Myself, I would take 218 votes, but then I am not Ryan.

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Ryan got the almost-endorsement of the Freedom Caucus by agreeing "in principle" to every single bullet point on the FC's laundry list of procedural demands.

If Ryan makes those changes then he is basically ceding a lot of authority to the Freedom Caucus and making it far easier for them to obstruct things.

If he doesn't, then it would mean Ryan blatantly lied to the Freedom Caucus to in order to get elected, and they don't seem to the the type to take that lying down
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Bacon King
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« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2015, 05:50:38 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 05:52:12 PM by Bacon 😎 »

"Ryan got the almost-endorsement of the Freedom Caucus by agreeing "in principle" to every single bullet point on the FC's laundry list of procedural demands."

I don't see where he did this in the texts that have been adduced. Of course, the original procedural demands were entwined with substance, and ludicrous themselves. So a list of the procedural demands to which Ryan acceded would be helpful, before we conclude he bent over for them.

This was the Freedom Caucus Questionnaire to Speaker candidates: http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000150-49be-d501-ab5d-6dbf7cd70000

In the article I linked to he's specifically and explicitly agreeing with quite a few things from that list, even if he's only doing so with a ton of caveats. This article you posted explains why their demands are a lot more worrisome than they seem:

In case you missed it (I linked it before), this article is quite revealing.

I'm not saying that Ryan's path to the Speakership won't work, but I'm concerned that he's promising far too much to the Freedom Caucus to get there
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Bacon King
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« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2015, 10:04:32 AM »


Thank God this circus is over

I think Ryan is in over his head but honestly I guess who wouldn't be?
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Bacon King
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« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2015, 10:08:01 AM »

So who didn't vote for him.  I know probably him and Behonor didn't vote, but who where the other 9.

Presumably members of the Freedom Caucus- Daniel Webster got nine votes
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Bacon King
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« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2015, 10:18:58 AM »

Paul Ryan right now:
"The committees should retake the lead in drafting all major legislation"
"We need a return to regular order"
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