Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

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After Joe's comment today, you really have to think what Harris, Abrams, Lance Bottoms, Demings & Rice all think about this. You could see Harris & Abrams withdrawal there names, they have a future in this party. Lance Bottoms does too but she's been loyal to Joe, Demings could probably spin the gaffe and Susan Rice well they have a long standing relationship so I could see Joe going with familiar. But Joe is really going to shoot himself in the foot if he picks a white woman unless it's Elizabeth Warren, but even then, he just upset the black electorate.

If anyone knows Charlamagne tha God and his work on The Breakfast Club, for the past two years he's been preaching about making sure the Democratic candidate has a Black Agenda to help the community. That's been picked up by Angela Rye and other prominent media personalities pushing the narrative. If Joe really tanks it with the black communities voting bloc, he may need to go in the direction of picking a Latina for the VP slot. But he'd be committing political suicide picking Klobauchar or Whitmer, I have nothing against those two but that would be a mess if he does pick one of them.

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After Joe's comment today, you really have to think what Harris, Abrams, Lance Bottoms, Demings & Rice all think about this. You could see Harris & Abrams withdrawal there names, they have a future in this party. Lance Bottoms does too but she's been loyal to Joe, Demings could probably spin the gaffe and Susan Rice well they have a long standing relationship so I could see Joe going with familiar. But Joe is really going to shoot himself in the foot if he picks a white woman unless it's Elizabeth Warren, but even then, he just upset the black electorate.

If anyone knows Charlamagne tha God and his work on The Breakfast Club, for the past two years he's been preaching about making sure the Democratic candidate has a Black Agenda to help the community. That's been picked up by Angela Rye and other prominent media personalities pushing the narrative. If Joe really tanks it with the black communities voting bloc, he may need to go in the direction of picking a Latina for the VP slot. But he'd be committing political suicide picking Klobauchar or Whitmer, I have nothing against those two but that would be a mess if he does pick one of them.

I don't think what Biden said creates a moral quandary for any of these people. Especially considering that he is running against the champion of birtherism.

He needs to watch it with these gaffes. If I have big political aspirations, maybe I take a seat back, take a cabinet position if offered or seek other office. Abrams has big goals, Harris does too. Joe could easily do something so stupid to lose an election during a pandemic.

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Alot of these candidates like Abrams, Grisham, Val Demings and even Cory Booker for AG arent just being vetted for Veep, they are also being vetted for Cabinet positions

Biden and Warren
SOS Abrams
AG Cory Booker
Secretary of Ed ML GRISHAM
Urban League and HUD Val Demings

Again Val Demings doesnt have qualifications to be Veep

Klobuchar and Harris probably stay in Senate

Warren will be an excellent pick
Gretchen Whitmer already said she will be on Biden's transition team, but isnt leaving MI in a Pandemic

I think you can see Susan Rice becoming Secretary of State, Val Demings I see taking over the Department of Homeland Security and Stacey Abrams taking over HUD.

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I would say the Top 5 is looking like...

1.) Kamala Harris
2.) Elizabeth Warren
3.) Val Demings
4.) Keisha Lance Bottoms
5.) Amy Klobuchar

The best thing to notice in these situations is watch these 5 women during TV interviews on CNN, MSNBC and the Sunday Pundit Shows. They're basically try-outs. Elizabeth Warren is doing 2 hours with Joe Biden on The Last Word for MSNBC this week. I'm really starting to like Keisha Lance Bottoms though, young, Mayor of one of the biggest cities in the United States, great speaker and projects leadership. She also has going for her being an early endorser for Biden and surrogate, stuff like that goes a long way.

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I would say the Top 5 is looking like...

1.) Kamala Harris
2.) Elizabeth Warren
3.) Val Demings
4.) Keisha Lance Bottoms
5.) Amy Klobuchar

The best thing to notice in these situations is watch these 5 women during TV interviews on CNN, MSNBC and the Sunday Pundit Shows. They're basically try-outs. Elizabeth Warren is doing 2 hours with Joe Biden on The Last Word for MSNBC this week. I'm really starting to like Keisha Lance Bottoms though, young, Mayor of one of the biggest cities in the United States, great speaker and projects leadership. She also has going for her being an early endorser for Biden and surrogate, stuff like that goes a long way.

Absolutely zero chance Klobuchar is being considered anymore.

Rest of your list is good though.

I agree, but I have a feeling she's not completely out of it, but I'm sure she's being considered for a cabinet position but it won't be Attorney General.

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I’m warming up to Keisha....... we’ll see

Meh

What does she bring to the ticket that Val Damings or Harris doesn't?

She's Mayor of Atlanta which is the biggest Airport Hub in America, she's shown tremendous leadership in the last few months, she's an early Biden supporter from Last Summer, she has no baggage from a past in prosecution, she's been extremely tough on her Police Department and shown she'll discipline when necessary and from at Battleground State. I like Harris & Demings too, any of those 3 I support along with Warren & Duckworth. I would say those are the Top 3 right now Harris, KLB, Demings, Warren & Duckworth. Those 5 are all extremely good choices.

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I’m warming up to Keisha....... we’ll see

Meh

What does she bring to the ticket that Val Damings or Harris doesn't?

She's Mayor of Atlanta which is the biggest Airport Hub in America, she's shown tremendous leadership in the last few months, she's an early Biden supporter from Last Summer, she has no baggage from a past in prosecution, she's been extremely tough on her Police Department and shown she'll discipline when necessary and from at Battleground State. I like Harris & Demings too, any of those 3 I support along with Warren & Duckworth. I would say those are the Top 3 right now Harris, KLB, Demings, Warren & Duckworth. Those 5 are all extremely good choices.

...and that's exactly the problem

Trump will say that she is weak on crime and juxtapose her with looters and arsonists.

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On the other hand, Trump would be hard-pressed to say that a former chief of police or a former prosecutor is weak on crime.

What you called a "baggage" is actually an asset.

Trump will say literally any Democrat is soft on crime. That’s part of his standard attack/endorsement tweet in down ballot races.

He said it, unironically, about Doug Jones in 2017. The US Attorney who literally prosecuted KKK members.

The point is, the attack won't stick to someone like Val Damings

You honestly can't go wrong right now as the Biden campaign choosing between Harris, KLB, Demings, Warren or Duckworth. That should be the Top 5 and the ones he's seriously vetting right now. Harris has the attack dog quality you look for in a VP who will go after the President hard, KLB has this momentum and really taking the bull by the horns, Demings are her background in law enforcement is a huge plus, Warren is a hit with the Progressives and Duckworth is a sleeper pick who I don't see as a politician with a flaw that would come to haunt her.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics/biden-kamala-harris-keisha-lance-bottoms-val-demings/index.html

Top 5 on the List:
1.) Kamala Harris
2.) Keisha Lance Bottoms
3.) Val Demings
4.) Michelle Lujan Grisham
5.) Elizabeth Warren

I suspect Biden makes his choice the last week of July right before August 1st. Maybe August 1st, since it does fall on a Saturday. Allows for that weeks news cycle to get the puff pieces ready to pump out the VP nominee.

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There is still one realistic month left of the vetting process, by that point Biden should be down to his Top 3 and pick in those last two weeks who he really feels best moving with forward.

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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/mayoral-candidate-admits-to-not-fully-paying-water-bills-for-years/512687032/

Something like this could definitely trip up Bottoms. Its not like medical bills or student debt, not being able to pay your water bill when you're a public official is a red flag.

Lol you got to be kidding me. This is a nothing burger.

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What anyone on this forum should be looking at is the interviews on the pundit shows on CNN, MSNBC, Real Time with Bill Maher, The Daily Show with Trevor Noah and the Sunday Morning OTA Shows (Face the Nation, Meet the Press, etc). That's where these women are being vetted most of the time, I've seen Harris, Warren, KLB, Demings, Abrams, Whitmer, Lujan Grisham & Rice all be interviewed and that's 8 VP considerations.

Right now, the way I see it... Harris is still the clear front-runner and the safe pick. I would say that KLB is making waves, Demings seem to have fallen off a bit, Abrams is getting more TV time again and so is Susan Rice. I won't be surprised if Biden picks someone like Susan Rice because he's familiar with her and she'll have the experience which people can't try to hit her on.

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If I am thinking like Biden and how he wants someone he can trust and be ready to step in on Day One.

1.) Susan Rice - She would be ready to step in on day one and they have a very good working relationship and know each other well. She knows Washington, DC very well and how it works. She's also pushing state-hood for DC and I'm assuming that you could combine that with Puerto Rico getting state-hood also. I see that happening this decade and we'll have 52 States. Plus the Senate would have to have representation in the Senate that create 4 new high level jobs for people to move up the ranks on.

2.) Keisha Lance Bottoms - We know Biden is fond of loyalty. KLB was one of the first to endorse for him and be a surrogate, plus she's handled everything going on in Atlanta the best she can and it's possible she can deliver the State of Georgia & both Senate seats with her on the ticket to get excitement for the ticket.

3.) Kamala Harris - This is the safest pick in my eyes, Biden will look into that. She has an attack-dog like quality but I do think the Primaries does hurt her. I'm sure Joe is still a little sour about that and probably questions Harris' motives.

4.) Elizabeth Warren - They've gotten closer over the primaries and Biden has picked up on some of her policies. But I honestly see her being put as the Secretary of the Treasury and that would definitely win Biden points with the Progressive movement.

5.) Val Demings - Biden doesn't know her that well, which is fine. I don't think he'll pick her but she could deliver Florida and that has to at least have Biden's attention and his team. I honestly think she'll be picked as Secretary of Homeland Security.

After that, it's all lip-service. Those 5 are probably the ones being seriously considered. The more I read as each new day passes by, I'm starting to get the feeling that Biden will pick Susan Rice. I almost think they would welcome Trump & Pence along with there Administration to try and take them on about National Security. People just will not care at this point of Benghazi. Now if Biden goes in a different direction, I think Susan Rice will be a lock for Secretary of State.

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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1273004134044782592

This article basically sort of corroborate something from the Politico article that claimed Klobuchar's chances of becoming VP had collapsed: that despite being white Warren would likely get the least backlash thanks in part to a fair number of Black activists and voters who really like her policies that they believe would be quite beneficial for the Black community at large. It also helps that unlike Harris or Demings, Warren hasn't been involved in a profession of criminal justice.

It also lists a few potential drawbacks: her age and ideology. Plus the fact that Harris is undeniably the frontrunner at this point.

This.

Warren has been thinking about how we rebuild the pillars of our society from the ground up - rather than how to make piecemeal changes - for her entire career. When it comes to economic policy that takes into account individual communities' needs instead of just the broad 'rising tide'-type policies, she has bold ideas that'll specifically help the Black community. When it comes to police reform & public safety, she's got a plan for that. When it comes to systemic racism, she's got a plan for that.

This isn't to say that other candidates who happen to be of color aren't qualified, but Warren is head-&-shoulders above them in terms of policy, guts, know-how, etc., & I've truly come to believe that she'd be the best VP (& future President) for the Black community all across this country. I think a number of other candidates are qualified, & would make history, but I'm not fully sold on the idea that they'd fight for the change we need to see, & while I can't speak for the Black community as a whole, I know my Black friends prefer a white woman who's all for bringing about structural change to a Black woman who might not be able to.

In terms of appeal to Black voters, she not only has the policy, the brains, & the ability to hammer out solutions, but she also understands that she can always learn more. She acknowledges when she's wrong & she makes efforts to fix her mistakes based on actually listening to the people she's wronged. She doesn't just crack open a book & say "statistically, this should work;" she turns to the downtrodden & says "tell me what you need," then she listens & she figures out how to make it happen. That ability to be wrong, to listen, & to reach out to continue educating herself is what puts her above not just the other VP contenders, but most politicians in this country too.

Oh yeah, & the party rank-&-file still wants her 2-to-1.

I wouldn't be upset what-so-ever if Elizabeth Warren is picked for the VP slot. I don't think she will, but if she isn't, then Biden has to choose her for Secretary of the Treasury. Wall Street would go nuts, but we need someone who's really going to shake-up the system.

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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1273004134044782592

This article basically sort of corroborate something from the Politico article that claimed Klobuchar's chances of becoming VP had collapsed: that despite being white Warren would likely get the least backlash thanks in part to a fair number of Black activists and voters who really like her policies that they believe would be quite beneficial for the Black community at large. It also helps that unlike Harris or Demings, Warren hasn't been involved in a profession of criminal justice.

It also lists a few potential drawbacks: her age and ideology. Plus the fact that Harris is undeniably the frontrunner at this point.

This.

Warren has been thinking about how we rebuild the pillars of our society from the ground up - rather than how to make piecemeal changes - for her entire career. When it comes to economic policy that takes into account individual communities' needs instead of just the broad 'rising tide'-type policies, she has bold ideas that'll specifically help the Black community. When it comes to police reform & public safety, she's got a plan for that. When it comes to systemic racism, she's got a plan for that.

This isn't to say that other candidates who happen to be of color aren't qualified, but Warren is head-&-shoulders above them in terms of policy, guts, know-how, etc., & I've truly come to believe that she'd be the best VP (& future President) for the Black community all across this country. I think a number of other candidates are qualified, & would make history, but I'm not fully sold on the idea that they'd fight for the change we need to see, & while I can't speak for the Black community as a whole, I know my Black friends prefer a white woman who's all for bringing about structural change to a Black woman who might not be able to.

In terms of appeal to Black voters, she not only has the policy, the brains, & the ability to hammer out solutions, but she also understands that she can always learn more. She acknowledges when she's wrong & she makes efforts to fix her mistakes based on actually listening to the people she's wronged. She doesn't just crack open a book & say "statistically, this should work;" she turns to the downtrodden & says "tell me what you need," then she listens & she figures out how to make it happen. That ability to be wrong, to listen, & to reach out to continue educating herself is what puts her above not just the other VP contenders, but most politicians in this country too.

Oh yeah, & the party rank-&-file still wants her 2-to-1.

I wouldn't be upset what-so-ever if Elizabeth Warren is picked for the VP slot. I don't think she will, but if she isn't, then Biden has to choose her for Secretary of the Treasury. Wall Street would go nuts, but we need someone who's really going to shake-up the system.

It would cost Ds a senate seat they can't afford to lose. Baker would appoint a Susan Collins 2.0

Ok, I hate when people say this. But the risk is worth the reward. People think that the Senate is going to go 50-50 after this, then that's not thinking correctly. If the Dems win back the Senate, they're going to win more than just 4 seats. It'll be a few and sure Baker makes an appointment, Pressley is going to run against that person and win easily. If Joe wants to pick Warren, do it. I suspect that the Democrats can win more than just 4 seats, I think Montana will go to Bullock, Ernst looks like she's on the way out in Iowa, Doug Jones can certainly retain his seat, the two seats in Georgia are toss-up's and depending who Kansas nominates they could win that seat too.

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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1273004134044782592

This article basically sort of corroborate something from the Politico article that claimed Klobuchar's chances of becoming VP had collapsed: that despite being white Warren would likely get the least backlash thanks in part to a fair number of Black activists and voters who really like her policies that they believe would be quite beneficial for the Black community at large. It also helps that unlike Harris or Demings, Warren hasn't been involved in a profession of criminal justice.

It also lists a few potential drawbacks: her age and ideology. Plus the fact that Harris is undeniably the frontrunner at this point.

This.

Warren has been thinking about how we rebuild the pillars of our society from the ground up - rather than how to make piecemeal changes - for her entire career. When it comes to economic policy that takes into account individual communities' needs instead of just the broad 'rising tide'-type policies, she has bold ideas that'll specifically help the Black community. When it comes to police reform & public safety, she's got a plan for that. When it comes to systemic racism, she's got a plan for that.

This isn't to say that other candidates who happen to be of color aren't qualified, but Warren is head-&-shoulders above them in terms of policy, guts, know-how, etc., & I've truly come to believe that she'd be the best VP (& future President) for the Black community all across this country. I think a number of other candidates are qualified, & would make history, but I'm not fully sold on the idea that they'd fight for the change we need to see, & while I can't speak for the Black community as a whole, I know my Black friends prefer a white woman who's all for bringing about structural change to a Black woman who might not be able to.

In terms of appeal to Black voters, she not only has the policy, the brains, & the ability to hammer out solutions, but she also understands that she can always learn more. She acknowledges when she's wrong & she makes efforts to fix her mistakes based on actually listening to the people she's wronged. She doesn't just crack open a book & say "statistically, this should work;" she turns to the downtrodden & says "tell me what you need," then she listens & she figures out how to make it happen. That ability to be wrong, to listen, & to reach out to continue educating herself is what puts her above not just the other VP contenders, but most politicians in this country too.

Oh yeah, & the party rank-&-file still wants her 2-to-1.

I wouldn't be upset what-so-ever if Elizabeth Warren is picked for the VP slot. I don't think she will, but if she isn't, then Biden has to choose her for Secretary of the Treasury. Wall Street would go nuts, but we need someone who's really going to shake-up the system.

It would cost Ds a senate seat they can't afford to lose. Baker would appoint a Susan Collins 2.0

No. This talking point needs to die already. What part of "THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY IN THE MASSACHUSETTS STATE LEGISLATURE AND WILL FORCE BAKER TO APPOINT A DEMOCRAT IF/WHEN BIDEN PICKS WARREN!" do y'all not understand?

As long as the Mass. State Legislature picks Pressley or Markey/Kennedy I'm all for it.

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List has gotten better. Rice should not be considered. https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1274032922442563589?s=20. I know she did not mean his voters,but it's easy to take out of context. This makes me question her instincts.

I absolutely see nothing wrong with her statement. She's 100% right.

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It's funny reading everyone bicker around here. The VP pick seems to have become a proxy war in the party.

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It's funny reading everyone bicker around here. The VP pick seems to have become a proxy war in the party.

It's been like this before.  While Biden seems like an obvious choice in hindsight, there was considerable intraparty debate in 2008 that Obama should pick Hillary.  As it turned out he had another job in mind for her.

2016 was not quite as contentious, but I remember the talk about how Hillary should choose Warren to satisfy Sanders supporters.  I believe she would have selected Sherrod Brown if there had not been a Republican Governor in Ohio.

I just see it as the Clinton crowd is for Harris, the Sanders/Labor movement crowd is for Warren and the Obama crowd is for Rice. When I mean crowd I mean the donors in the Party.

KLB seems.to be getting a nice raise in profile but no one thinks she's ready to be VP,  for some reason I think with her being Chair of the Platform, Biden might want her as Chief of Staff.

Demings is a hard one to put my finger on other than Pelosi wants a House member on the ticket, so I guess her donor base.

I'm curious where Harry Reid's donor base is at since Cortez Masto is out, but I think they're grooming her to be the successor to Schumer as Senate Leader.

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Also in the YouGov poll: who do you think should be selected as Joe Biden’s VP?
(Among voters voting for Joe Biden)

Kamala Harris 24%
Elizabeth Warren 18%
Stacey Abrams 9%
Susan Rice 6%
Val Demings 3%
Gretchen Whitmer 3%
Keisha Lance Bottoms 2%
Tammy Baldwin 1%
Michelle Lujan Grisham 1%

Females: Harris 22%, Warren 17%, Abrams 10%
Males: Harris 26%, Warren 20%, Abrams 8%
18-29: Warren 25%, Harris 21%, Abrams 8%
Whites: Harris 21%, Warren 18%, Abrams 8%
Blacks: Harris 21%, Warren 19%, Abrams 14%
Hispanics: Harris 37%, Warren 16%, Abrams 6%

That should be a number the Biden campaign should keep its eye on. If Harris can hold up those numbers, do you really choose someone else? Still have another month basically until they come to a decision.

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I honestly had no idea about Karen Bass until recently and I really like what I see. As a VP, I'm confident (I'm really confident in almost anyone other than Trump/Pence now) in her. I also think she'll get a cabinet spot, her work could be used as Secretary of HUD or Secretary of the SBA. I've grown more confident in Biden reading the moment, though he's had a couple gaffes which we have to live with. I just tell people, anyone who is in consideration for VP should really check out any TV interviews and virtual fundraisers they do as surrogates because those are really the auditions for them since they can't truly campaign out in the country.

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I think that Biden will in the end pick Harris. I'd prefer Demings but I do believe that Harris qualified. It seems that the Biden team wants to pick a woman of color who has enough experience to be President on Day 1. It seems that Harris is the best choice for him at this point.

Yup, I would be surprised if Harris isn't picked. Demings would be kind of interesting, but she has not that much experience. Same with KLB or Abrams. Bass is an unknown quantity on the national stage while Warren is only checking the "female" and "progressive" box.

My feeling is Biden would actually like to pick Susan Rice because she's the ultimate definition of "sympatico", but there are just factors that speak for Harris besides checking all boxes: Experience, proven on national stage and from a safe state that has many Dem donors. Rice on contrary has never run a campaign and not much experience in domestic policy. I think she would be qualified for VP or even prez and Benghazi is a long time ago, but don't think she's being picked. Biden may either make her SoS or she returns to her old post as Natl Security Adviser.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-column-biden-running-mate-susan-rice-chapman-20200624-ddrfdtile5gtha4w3isqyk7vjq-story.html

The Chicago Tribune published earlier an Opinion piece that Susan Rice should be the pick.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/joe-biden-kamala-harris-keisha-lance-bottoms-val-demings/index.html

Top 5:
1.) Kamala Harris
2.) Keisha Lance Bottoms
3.) Michelle Lujan Grisham
4.) Val Demings
5.) Susan Rice

Karen Bass didn't make the Top 10 but got an honorable mention.

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Elizabeth Warren has always fought for the common person in our country. I don't understand the dislike for her.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/opinions/three-women-who-should-be-at-the-top-of-bidens-vp-list-alexander-cohen/index.html

They list Kamala Harris, Val Demings and Susan Rice as the Top 3.

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KLB just tweeted about the one-year anniversary of her endorsement of Joe. I had forgotten they came the day after the debate. In the tweet she talks about how she’s proud that she’s been with him since the beginning. do we think that’s enough active play or no?

She's on the DNC 2020 platform committee or something like that so I doubt it's her

I don't think Joe Biden can really make bad choice right now out of the top contenders. If it was my personal choice, I would pick Keisha Lance Bottoms but that's just me personally, just something about her and the way she carries herself I really like. But Harris, Demings, Warren, Duckworth or even Rice, I'm good with.