"Eat The Landlords" - housing reform partisans target Brooklyn Housing Court overnight

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Leftists destroyed this country's housing market with habitability warranties, zoning laws, rent control, and high taxes. Now they're acting as though the free market caused the housing shortage that came about as a direct result of their inept mismanagement.

Lol, this is one of the most delusional posts I have ever read. Real estate investors and property developers as a class have more pork legislation, tax benefits, and access to credit and finance than nearly any group in America.

 

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If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

  Because people who run cities know you need real people to live and more importantly work in them. If NYC didn't have rent control, co-operative living, and public housing no working class people would live there.

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If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

  Because people who run cities know you need real people to live and more importantly work in them. If NYC didn't have rent control, co-operative living, and public housing no working class people would live there.

That makes zero sense. Zoning ordinances hurt real people and push them out to the suburbs. Rent control works for a couple people who it protects while destroying housing stock and making things harder everyone who wants to move in to an area. The ONLY SOLUTION to the housing crisis is to BUILD MORE HOUSING which requires you to LEGALIZE MORE HOUSING (ie. upzone everything). You can't trick your way around supply and demand.

 I lived in New York, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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 Texas is no lefty haven, has more relaxed development laws and has for years had terrible affordable and low income housing stock.

Texas Has ‘Significant Shortages’ Of Low-Income Rentals, Study Finds

 A lot of the arguments in this thread make no sense and are just political philosophy as projection.

 In Singapore 80% of people live in governemnt housing that is highly regulated and for the most parts get's good marks even by outside observers.

 Public housing in Singapore

 It's funny how embracing "new ideas" never includes embracing things that have been proven to actually work.

 Or an approach to end homelessness such as Finland's "Housing First" as another example.

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 Some of the main factors causing the luxury development boom are wealth inequality, inadequate taxation policy, money laundering and the illicit flight of capitol.

 So much property is bought to hide/park money that is taken from elsewhere. You see this in cities like London, Miami, NYC.

 Many housing developments in The United States are ancient. They were the result of WPA projects and post WWII baby boom where the country desperately needed housing and the Government led with private partnership created it. Most of these haven't been significantly funded for upkeep since the 1970's and 1980s.

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dule, have you ever been a tenant? just wondering

Imagine arguing for a return to tenements in the middle of a pandemic.

The free market does not automatically provide the best outcome, particularly if there are market failures associated with providing a particular good or service in a certain market.

Yeah, but it can--and when it can, it should.

It isn't like poor people across the developed world are unable to find housing. This is a situation limited to a number of overregulated, highly desirable cities mostly in the Anglosphere. There are so many examples of housing markets in Japan, the non-coastal United States, and much of continental Europe with limited public housing but plenty of affordable housing. We can copy their best practices. It isn't that complicated.

Housing in Japan is highly regulated by the Japanese government. Are you arguing we should copy this?

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dule, have you ever been a tenant? just wondering

Imagine arguing for a return to tenements in the middle of a pandemic.

Fair enough. I expect that you'll advocate for eliminating public transportation like trains, subways, and buses in that case. You know, in order to avoid looking like a hypocrite.

 https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/tenements

 Read bro.

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The free market does not automatically provide the best outcome, particularly if there are market failures associated with providing a particular good or service in a certain market.

Yeah, but it can--and when it can, it should.

It isn't like poor people across the developed world are unable to find housing. This is a situation limited to a number of overregulated, highly desirable cities mostly in the Anglosphere. There are so many examples of housing markets in Japan, the non-coastal United States, and much of continental Europe with limited public housing but plenty of affordable housing. We can copy their best practices. It isn't that complicated.

Housing in Japan is highly regulated by the Japanese government. Are you arguing we should copy this?

Not quite. Zoning is generally unrestrictive and set at the national level, property rights are extremely strong, and public housing is pretty minimal. The broader point is that there are many housing markets where the private sector really does provide affordable housing for the masses--Japan included--and we can model ourselves on them if we choose to.

 This isn't true at all. Japan has more regulation in the types of building you can build, their max size, etc. The Japanese government subsidizes a great deal of housing and private companies used to for their workers as well. In Japan it is traditional and not frowned upon to live in multi-generational housing. Where in The United States free market manipulators want to create debt and push consumers into buying homes.

Property rights are so strong the Japanese government regulates Airbnb. Houses/housing has planned obsolescence and becomes worthless after 25-30 years, land is a different story. I have no idea where you're getting your info about Japan from.

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dule, have you ever been a tenant? just wondering

Imagine arguing for a return to tenements in the middle of a pandemic.

Fair enough. I expect that you'll advocate for eliminating public transportation like trains, subways, and buses in that case. You know, in order to avoid looking like a hypocrite.

 https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/tenements

 Read bro.

Uh-oh! A leftist is losing an argument online. Better break out Ol' Reliable!

 Says the poster who sh*tposts memes when he doesn't have a logical argument.

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Says the poster who sh*tposts memes when he doesn't have a logical argument.

If you'd like to have a logical argument, please construct your own comment and enter into a discussion with me rather than jumping in to post a random link and rudely telling me to "read it." That's not an argument.

 I wasn't actually having a debate with you. You're too ignorant to have a logical debate with. I was making fun of your lack of self awareness to be advocating for tenements in a pandemic. I thought that was pretty cut and dry.

 I also noticed you love to post big graphical responses of pre-canned debate jargon because you're not actually interested in a robust and intellectual discussion and instead want to ram your stupid libertarian orthodoxy while ignoring everything else.

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I was making fun of your lack of self awareness to be advocating for tenements in a pandemic.

Yeah, I get it. And I assumed that you meant this because tenements are havens for spreading disease. So I listed a number of other places that are known to spread disease, my point being that if you have a problem with the type of housing I described due to the disease factor, you should also logically have a problem with those things. You ignored that. This exchange didn't make me feel like I needed to take you seriously in this discussion, so I chose to respond to your """argument""" with one of my original, bespoke, hilarious memes. I make no apologies.

 Read bro

New Study Finds No Direct Link Between Subway & COVID-19 Spread

Before you assume something, try and do research to see if you actually have a point.