"Eat The Landlords" - housing reform partisans target Brooklyn Housing Court overnight

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1317137059447013382

[lfromnj]

Terrorism, arrest them all !

[DrScholl]

They shouldn't have done that, but at least they didn't try to kidnap and murder anyone.

[PSOL]

We’re currently seeing a housing crisis as the vast majority of the working class can’t afford the rent they are paying, along with a large amount of desperate renters unable to find a place due to artificial scarcity. There are viable solutions to this that can be implemented in the short and long term, but our current political system won’t implement such changes. So—in anger, frustration, and despair—we see likeminded people organize and get militant.

It is not too late to push through serious reforms to improve the situation to prevent the barbarity of the now, but it requires taking on the establishment™️ and demanding short and long term solutions; like penalizing and barring residential complexes currently vacant, prioritize the construction of affordable housing, and (ultimate) enforcing that housing a human right.

They shouldn't have done that, but at least they didn't try to kidnap and murder anyone.

No one wants to be in this position to be this desperate, but what other choice do they have? Tenants unions are few and far in between and their rights are ignored by their supposed “representatives”

[John Dule]

I was talking to my family's property manager yesterday. He said that this is the worst time for landlords he's seen in his life. Renters are living for free in houses they don't own, and are being backed up by far-left city governments who have put "freezes" on evictions and rent due to the virus. Sorry, but do you put a "freeze" on arresting burglars just because a lot of people are stealing flat screen TVs all of a sudden? No? Then why stop evicting people who are (quite literally) stealing other people's houses from them? Landlords-- who, by the way, are not generally very wealthy-- are suffering more from this virus than any other demographic group. They're being forced to live off of rents that are reduced up to 80%, and if they put even minimal pressure on rentoids to pay a reasonable amount, their renties can just say they won't pay at all. After all, there's no risk for them if they miss rent one or ten times. It's practically impossible to evict people in California these days, because the state has made it clear that it sides with criminal squatters over property owners.

Leftists destroyed this country's housing market with habitability warranties, zoning laws, rent control, and high taxes. Now they're acting as though the free market caused the housing shortage that came about as a direct result of their inept mismanagement. We're currently fixing up a house in San Francisco that we own, but at this point it might be worth more to us if we keep it off the market (as we've done for the past five years). If we try to rent it, we'll either end up with section 8 getting forced on us or we'll spend years trying to find trustworthy people to live there who won't immediately stiff us on rent and force us through a years-long eviction process. At least by keeping the unit empty, we'll be able to maintain it at its current market value rather than have sixteen poor people move in and immediately turn it into a dump.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The public internet organizing and celebration of violent saboteurs is going to make the arrests so easy as soon as we get city leaders who mean business.

[Former President tack50]

Leftists destroyed this country's housing market with habitability warranties, zoning laws, rent control, and high taxes. Now they're acting as though the free market caused the housing shortage that came about as a direct result of their inept mismanagement. We're currently fixing up a house in San Francisco that we own, but at this point it might be worth more to us if we keep it off the market (as we've done for the past five years). If we try to rent it, we'll either end up with section 8 getting forced on us or we'll spend years trying to find trustworthy people to live there who won't immediately stiff us on rent and force us through a years-long eviction process. At least by keeping the unit empty, we'll be able to maintain it at its current market value rather than have sixteen poor people move in and immediately turn it into a dump.

Doesn't San Francisco have an "empty housing tax"? Because that seems to be one of the most common ways that left of centre parties try to combat ever rising rent prices (alongside other stuff like price controls).

Then again such "empty housing taxes" tend to be used more against banks and real state agencies than against individual household owners but still

[GP270watch]

Leftists destroyed this country's housing market with habitability warranties, zoning laws, rent control, and high taxes. Now they're acting as though the free market caused the housing shortage that came about as a direct result of their inept mismanagement.

Lol, this is one of the most delusional posts I have ever read. Real estate investors and property developers as a class have more pork legislation, tax benefits, and access to credit and finance than nearly any group in America.

 

[John Dule]

Doesn't San Francisco have an "empty housing tax"? Because that seems to be one of the most common ways that left of centre parties try to combat ever rising rent prices (alongside other stuff like price controls).

Then again such "empty housing taxes" tend to be used more against banks and real state agencies than against individual household owners but still

I think we're safe because A) We're currently renovating the place, and B) The previous owner was a family member who died, and so it was left to us in a will. Hence why we're apprehensive about renting it quickly-- seeing our old family home get trashed by a bunch of commie stooges would be heartbreaking.

Lol, this is one of the most delusional posts I have ever read. Real estate investors and property developers as a class have more pork legislation, tax benefits, and access to credit and finance than nearly any group in America.

If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

[TrumpBritt24]

Wow, so many Capitalists (TM, RR) here.

Guys - you're supposed to lick the boot, not deepthroat it!

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Doesn't San Francisco have an "empty housing tax"? Because that seems to be one of the most common ways that left of centre parties try to combat ever rising rent prices (alongside other stuff like price controls).

Then again such "empty housing taxes" tend to be used more against banks and real state agencies than against individual household owners but still

I think we're safe because A) We're currently renovating the place, and B) The previous owner was a family member who died, and so it was left to us in a will. Hence why we're apprehensive about renting it quickly-- seeing our old family home get trashed by a bunch of commie stooges would be heartbreaking.

Lol, this is one of the most delusional posts I have ever read. Real estate investors and property developers as a class have more pork legislation, tax benefits, and access to credit and finance than nearly any group in America.

If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

First, outside of California, New York, and New Jersey, not only in rent control uncommon, but in most States, it's prohibited.

Second, the only even semi-just alternative to a warranty of habitability would be to allow renters to break leases at will if repairs aren't made. But leaving aside the burdens that alternative would impose on both lessors and lessees, why would any landlord want to lease substandard housing?  Leaving aside issues of morality, it leaves them open to lawsuits.

Third, in what weird parallel universe do you live where zoning restrictions on renting result from progressive politics instead of conservative and/or NIMBY politics?

Last but not least, is landlord tipping anything like cow tipping?

[John Dule]

First, outside of California, New York, and New Jersey, not only in rent control uncommon, but in most States, it's prohibited.

Second, the only even semi-just alternative to a warranty of habitability would be to allow renters to break leases at will if repairs aren't made. But leaving aside the burdens that alternative would impose on both lessors and lessees, why would any landlord want to lease substandard housing?  Leaving aside issues of morality, it leaves them open to lawsuits.

Third, in what weird parallel universe do you live where zoning restrictions on renting result from progressive politics instead of conservative and/or NIMBY politics?

Last but not least, is landlord tipping anything like cow tipping?

Hmm... isn't it a strange coincidence that California and New York are the two states with the most notorious housing crises in the nation? Also, habitability warranties don't just demand that properties be brought up to code-- they also establish that a rentable property must possess certain features, which drives up costs. This prevents new and innovative building designs from being tested (say, with shared communal cooking areas or bathrooms) and ultimately drives up the cost for the renter. It's also a coincidence, I'm sure, that rent started spiking and housing started becoming scarce around the same time that habitability warranties became commonplace.

Wow, so many Capitalists (TM, RR) here.

Guys - you're supposed to lick the boot, not deepthroat it!

We are the boot. And we don't care what you people do with it-- lick it, deepthroat it, polish it, whatever. Just make sure the check arrives by the first of the month.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Also, habitability warranties don't just demand that properties be brought up to code-- they also establish that a rentable property must possess certain features, which drives up costs. This prevents new and innovative building designs from being tested (say, with shared communal cooking areas or bathrooms) and ultimately drives up the cost for the renter.

So the reason colleges don't build dormitories anymore are habitability warranties?

In any case, it sounds like you have some things that aren't ducks being called ducks in California, if you have "habitability warranties" covering issues other than being up to code.  What you are describing sounds like zoning under another name.

In any case, around here zoning is something NIMBY Conservatives do to keep out the "riff-raff".

[AltWorlder]

Are there any Georgists who post on Atlas? If not, I can try to get up to speed on the literature so I can crow on about LVT while liberal YIMBYs and leftist PHIMBYs do their thing in threads like these

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Are there any Georgists who post on Atlas? If not, I can try to get up to speed on the literature so I can crow on about LVT while liberal YIMBYs and leftist PHIMBYs do their thing in threads like these

I'm pretty sympathetic to Georgism. John Dule has inadvertently made a good case for LVT in this thread:

We're currently fixing up a house in San Francisco that we own, but at this point it might be worth more to us if we keep it off the market (as we've done for the past five years). If we try to rent it, we'll either end up with section 8 getting forced on us or we'll spend years trying to find trustworthy people to live there who won't immediately stiff us on rent and force us through a years-long eviction process. At least by keeping the unit empty, we'll be able to maintain it at its current market value rather than have sixteen poor people move in and immediately turn it into a dump

[AGA]

I was talking to my family's property manager yesterday. He said that this is the worst time for landlords he's seen in his life. Renters are living for free in houses they don't own, and are being backed up by far-left city governments who have put "freezes" on evictions and rent due to the virus. Sorry, but do you put a "freeze" on arresting burglars just because a lot of people are stealing flat screen TVs all of a sudden? No? Then why stop evicting people who are (quite literally) stealing other people's houses from them? Landlords-- who, by the way, are not generally very wealthy-- are suffering more from this virus than any other demographic group. They're being forced to live off of rents that are reduced up to 80%, and if they put even minimal pressure on rentoids to pay a reasonable amount, their renties can just say they won't pay at all. After all, there's no risk for them if they miss rent one or ten times. It's practically impossible to evict people in California these days, because the state has made it clear that it sides with criminal squatters over property owners.

Leftists destroyed this country's housing market with habitability warranties, zoning laws, rent control, and high taxes. Now they're acting as though the free market caused the housing shortage that came about as a direct result of their inept mismanagement. We're currently fixing up a house in San Francisco that we own, but at this point it might be worth more to us if we keep it off the market (as we've done for the past five years). If we try to rent it, we'll either end up with section 8 getting forced on us or we'll spend years trying to find trustworthy people to live there who won't immediately stiff us on rent and force us through a years-long eviction process. At least by keeping the unit empty, we'll be able to maintain it at its current market value rather than have sixteen poor people move in and immediately turn it into a dump.

r/LoveForLandlords is leaking

[GP270watch]

If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

  Because people who run cities know you need real people to live and more importantly work in them. If NYC didn't have rent control, co-operative living, and public housing no working class people would live there.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

  Because people who run cities know you need real people to live and more importantly work in them. If NYC didn't have rent control, co-operative living, and public housing no working class people would live there.

That makes zero sense. Zoning ordinances hurt real people and push them out to the suburbs. Rent control works for a couple people who it protects while destroying housing stock and making things harder everyone who wants to move in to an area. The ONLY SOLUTION to the housing crisis is to BUILD MORE HOUSING which requires you to LEGALIZE MORE HOUSING (ie. upzone everything). You can't trick your way around supply and demand.

(And yes, Dule is right to say many of the people blocking new housing are coming from the left. Just recently, AOC came out against Sunnyside Yards which would be the biggest affordable housing project in recent NYC history. You know--the sort of thing that helps the real people you were talking about.)

[Omega21]

We are the boot. And we don't care what you people do with it-- lick it, deepthroat it, polish it, whatever. Just make sure the check arrives by the first of the month.

I think this fits here nicely lol



https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1705934-oof-size-large

[GP270watch]

If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

  Because people who run cities know you need real people to live and more importantly work in them. If NYC didn't have rent control, co-operative living, and public housing no working class people would live there.

That makes zero sense. Zoning ordinances hurt real people and push them out to the suburbs. Rent control works for a couple people who it protects while destroying housing stock and making things harder everyone who wants to move in to an area. The ONLY SOLUTION to the housing crisis is to BUILD MORE HOUSING which requires you to LEGALIZE MORE HOUSING (ie. upzone everything). You can't trick your way around supply and demand.

 I lived in New York, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[IceAgeComing]

This prevents new and innovative building designs from being tested (say, with shared communal cooking areas or bathrooms)

no what prevents these from being tested is that literally no one would ever want to live in a house with a toilet or kitchen: those things are terrible enough in university accommodation or large house shares as it is: just imagining how much worse it'd be with 20 people sharing a kitchen and no clear idea who would be responsible for actually cleaning it.

Its the sort of pie-in-the-sky concept that idiots that haven't actually lived in the real world propose without actually talking to the people that need housing.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

If these people exert so much control over the housing market, then why are rent control laws still so prevalent in major American cities? Why are warranties of habitability still the law of the land? Why are the zoning ordinances-- which drive down the value of these properties-- still in effect?

  Because people who run cities know you need real people to live and more importantly work in them. If NYC didn't have rent control, co-operative living, and public housing no working class people would live there.

That makes zero sense. Zoning ordinances hurt real people and push them out to the suburbs. Rent control works for a couple people who it protects while destroying housing stock and making things harder everyone who wants to move in to an area. The ONLY SOLUTION to the housing crisis is to BUILD MORE HOUSING which requires you to LEGALIZE MORE HOUSING (ie. upzone everything). You can't trick your way around supply and demand.

 I lived in New York, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

uhuh

[Devout Centrist]

This prevents new and innovative building designs from being tested (say, with shared communal cooking areas or bathrooms)

no what prevents these from being tested is that literally no one would ever want to live in a house without a toilet or kitchen: those things are terrible enough in university accommodation or large house shares as it is: just imagining how much worse it'd be with 20 people sharing a kitchen and no clear idea who would be responsible for actually cleaning it.

Its the sort of pie-in-the-sky concept that idiots that haven't actually lived in the real world propose without actually talking to the people that need housing.

Nonsense, Comrade Dule is onto a fantastic idea. Who could forget the extraordinary success of communal apartments in the Soviet Union?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

This prevents new and innovative building designs from being tested (say, with shared communal cooking areas or bathrooms)

no what prevents these from being tested is that literally no one would ever want to live in a house without a toilet or kitchen: those things are terrible enough in university accommodation or large house shares as it is: just imagining how much worse it'd be with 20 people sharing a kitchen and no clear idea who would be responsible for actually cleaning it.

Its the sort of pie-in-the-sky concept that idiots that haven't actually lived in the real world propose without actually talking to the people that need housing.

While shared bathrooms aren't generally seen as desirable, there is a push to having rental properties with some shared use common areas be an option.  For singles or duos that generally eat out or eat take out, a common kitchen ain't that bad an option, tho it wouldn't be for everyone.

[Horus]

Boarding houses? This really is the new Gilded Age.

When the numbers of violent leftists multiplies exponentially, don't say you weren't warned.