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Cashew
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« on: June 08, 2023, 09:55:17 AM »

Haiti desperately requesting outside help and potentially receiving it is neither "imperialism" nor "neocolonialism", particularly when such intervention comes from their Caribbean neighbors rather than distant foreign powers.

Addressing the comment about "stifling Haitian sovereignty": Haitian sovereignty has already effectively ceased to exist. Haiti is a failed state with a government consisting entirely of empty chairs and interim officeholders. It is completely unable to control either the gangs or mobs. The best they can manage is for police to control less than one fifth of the neighborhoods in Port-Au-Prince, and nothing anywhere else. The Haitian government only exists as a legal fiction at present, and does not exercise sovereignty over anything.

The Haitian ruling class is responsible for the gang problem in the first place, any outside intervention that involves restoring their rule rather than excluding them from power and rebuilding the country from the ground up is doomed to fail. Seeing as though there is little appetite for a long term presence the best option would be to encourage the formation of revolutionary organizations against the corrupt government instead.
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Cashew
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2023, 12:41:55 PM »

I suppose a “popular uprising” is only on the tables when the United States supports it? Hopefully Haitians drive out the gangs and the foreign invaders who have drove the island to poverty since its inception. In all that time their spirits have not been broken.

Requesting and receiving foreign aid to stabilize Haiti is obviously better than having an island-wide turf war between the cutthroat gangs and the Bwa Kale vigilante squads who stomp people to death. There is little reason to believe that unorganized vigilante groups will be able to defeat the gangs nationwide if left to their own devices, occasional local successes aside. There also isn't any reason to believe that the rule of unorganized vigilante mobs would be good in the first place, even if it were a marginal improvement over current gangs. I know that a "people's revolution" of some form is an important part of your bizarre socialist eschatology, regardless of whether it takes the form of a descent into anarchy led by vigilante death squads. However, a vast majority of normal people think that would be a bad outcome. The best thing that could happen for Haiti is an intervention by it's neighbors to restore order, followed by a return to elected democratic government.

The U.S. spent 20 years maintaining order in Afghansitan and look how that worked out. Any intervention into Haiti would end with the corrupt puppet government embezzling aid and crumbling the minute foreign troops leave. As for democracy, that would be an absolute disaster. Most of the people with the money and connection to be in politics are the ones supporting the gangs, and yes they would be shameless enough to beg peacekeepers to stay and keep a leash on the gangs while arming the gangs to shoot at their political opponents and peacekeepers. Only by first purging the elite of Haitian society, especially including it's "government" would democracy stand any chance of functioning.
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Cashew
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2023, 04:02:33 PM »

Most of the people with the money and connection to be in politics are the ones supporting the gangs, and yes they would be shameless enough to beg peacekeepers to stay and keep a leash on the gangs while arming the gangs to shoot at their political opponents and peacekeepers. Only by first purging the elite of Haitian society, especially including it's "government" would democracy stand any chance of functioning.

Those are often the people who know how to run the country i.e. how the electricity system works. Revolutionaries do not always make good actual leaders.

Haiti is already at rock bottom and they seen very eager to ensure it remains that way, revolutionaries or long term direct rule by a foreign power for all their problems are still more likely to work than trying to resuscitate the corpse of Haitian civil society while leaving the poison intact.
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