Brazil to propose embryo of Brics currency at summit

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Lula says BRICS differences and diversity are a reason for its strength, not a weakness like westerners want to assume.

https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1694619359551844365

Good morning. The last time I attended a BRICS meeting was in 2010. I am deeply impressed with the maturity of the BRICS and the results we have managed to achieve together.

https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1694619468750627314

Many claimed that the BRICS would be too different to forge a common vision. Experience, however, demonstrates the opposite. Our diversity strengthens the fight for a new order that accommodates the economic, geographic and political plurality of the 21st century.

https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1694635462315348343

The presence, at this Brics meeting, of dozens of leaders from other countries in the Global South shows that the world is more complex than the Cold War mentality that some want to restore. Instead of adhering to the logic of competition, which imposes automatic alignments and fosters distrust, we must strengthen our collaboration. #BRICS2023

Congrats. Your country is a collaborator with the closest thing to Hitler since WW2. You should be ashamed, not posting about this like it's some own.

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First draft of the BRICS currency, presented by the Russian embassy in South Africa to the UAE:

https://twitter.com/iraninarabic_ir/status/1699147815803404340
I quite like it, especially the concept of there not being a “correct side” to look at it, ensuring no country can be at the top. You can see the currency value from all 4 corners of the paper.

Noticeable how each country flag is a “brick” too.

The only thing I think it’s weird is the giant Taj Mahal floating over the Indian flag. Aesthetically, it stands out from others and it’s weird. I would put it in front of the flag like you can see with Brazil, Russia, China “symbols”. Or at least make it somewhat smaller.

The Christ The Redeemer design also needs to change in order to be more faithful to the real thing. The face of this one is low-key ugly.

In the back of the currency they would put the new countries that joined. Since this is only an idea draft, they put a bunch of random countries that aren’t members in the back as well lmao. I think this was made before the recent expansion so they just included a random set of countries that had applied but had not joined yet.

That would obviously have to change so that only BRICS members are represented in the currency, but I like the concept of updating the design to include the new membership on the back too, like they were “bricks” as well.

You quite like it, huh? Which part do you like the most- the country currently brutally invading its neighbor, murdering innocents and raping little girls? Or maybe the country currently geocoding an ethnic minority and using force to put formerly democratic societies under oppressive authoritarianism? Oh, oh, how about the country in the tweet OP, soon to join them, that kills women for being immodest and executes gay people for existing? Do you like seeing your country’s flag next to theirs?

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You quite like it, huh? Which part do you like the most- the country currently brutally invading its neighbor, murdering innocents and raping little girls? Or maybe the country currently geocoding an ethnic minority and using force to put formerly democratic societies under oppressive authoritarianism? Oh, oh, how about the country in the tweet OP, soon to join them, that kills women for being immodest and executes gay people for existing? Do you like seeing your country’s flag next to theirs?

What a silly little rant this is, even if BRICS is something that many people put too much expectations into. People serious about diplomacy know you work with anyone and everyone to push what you want done. That's why, we worked with the Russians in order to try to get the Iranian nuclear deal to work out. Realists who knew how to get the job done...career foreign  affairs ministry bureaucrats in America and elsewhere who help make international solutions possible. The deal fell apart because Trump left it...and trust in us (rightfully) declined as a result (where we misstep as a country we should be judged for it). And now nuclear proliferation risk is on the up, instead of the down.
This attitude your post espouses is not how you run a foreign policy and if this was the attitude of our great bureaucracy, then we'd deserve to be a second-rate power, we'd deserve it. Coordination with other countries is important for global stability. Both when we are operating with a cloak and dagger, and when we are shaking hands.

By this standard, Joe Biden merely offering Putin a meeting in Oval Office on the eve of February 22nd indicts him, because he'd be seen walking alongside Putin himself had the latter taken him up on the offer.

Fortunately the bureaucracies of both Russia and America are saner in dealing with each other than the most inflexible partisans of either are towards the other. In fact, our intelligence community's awareness of what is going on in Putin's Russia is a product of our successful ethos in dealing with them.

Yes, making a common currency and integrating with genocidal states is the exact same as negotiating with them to achieve concrete purposes. I'm a IR grad, "realists" don't impress me.

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You quite like it, huh? Which part do you like the most- the country currently brutally invading its neighbor, murdering innocents and raping little girls? Or maybe the country currently geocoding an ethnic minority and using force to put formerly democratic societies under oppressive authoritarianism? Oh, oh, how about the country in the tweet OP, soon to join them, that kills women for being immodest and executes gay people for existing? Do you like seeing your country’s flag next to theirs?

What a silly little rant this is, even if BRICS is something that many people put too much expectations into. People serious about diplomacy know you work with anyone and everyone to push what you want done. That's why, we worked with the Russians in order to try to get the Iranian nuclear deal to work out. Realists who knew how to get the job done...career foreign  affairs ministry bureaucrats in America and elsewhere who help make international solutions possible. The deal fell apart because Trump left it...and trust in us (rightfully) declined as a result (where we misstep as a country we should be judged for it). And now nuclear proliferation risk is on the up, instead of the down.
This attitude your post espouses is not how you run a foreign policy and if this was the attitude of our great bureaucracy, then we'd deserve to be a second-rate power, we'd deserve it. Coordination with other countries is important for global stability. Both when we are operating with a cloak and dagger, and when we are shaking hands.

By this standard, Joe Biden merely offering Putin a meeting in Oval Office on the eve of February 22nd indicts him, because he'd be seen walking alongside Putin himself had the latter taken him up on the offer.

Fortunately the bureaucracies of both Russia and America are saner in dealing with each other than the most inflexible partisans of either are towards the other. In fact, our intelligence community's awareness of what is going on in Putin's Russia is a product of our successful ethos in dealing with them.

Yes, making a common currency and integrating with genocidal states is the exact same as negotiating with them to achieve concrete purposes. I'm a IR grad, "realists" don't impress me.

Realists won the Cold War and helped bring down one of the most evil empires that ever existed . The US moving away from realism is why our FP has mostly sucked since the end of the Cold War . We can easily stop stuff like this happening if we became less ideological in foreign policy and had a more realism based foreign policy .

No , that does not mean we have to become pro Russia , it just means we have to work with some of these nations in a more transactional basis .

Google Mearsheimer and his takes on the war.

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Oh his takes are awful but I wouldn’t really consider himself a realist as his FP ideas go against our interests.

What I mean more is we should work with nations on transactional basis to advance our interests and undermine China and Russia even if it means compromising some of our ideological goals . For example with India , neither major party is gonna back us on Ukraine (Rahul Gandhi praised Modi for his handling of the conflict) but that does not mean it’s impossible for them not to take actions that will hurt Russia .

For example if we made a weapons or energy deal with them , then they wouldn’t need Russia as much in either situation and that would end up hurting Russia which advances our interests and at the same time still gives India what they want materially which advances there interests.

He is THE realist, as far as IR studies go. You might be talking about a different sort of "realist".

For someone who is an IR grad...how did you get the idea that the feeling we could fully or mostly isolate Russia internationally isn't utterly delusional?
Let Brazil do what Brazil wants to do, we just remain competitive against Russia at its own game and maintain a strong outreach to the Third World more generally (something Biden is handling decently well). BRICS has contradictions in itself anyway...if it does actually turn into "integration" then we're facing bigger problems...even a common currency for all BRICS countries feels very remote considering neither China nor India are yet prepared to set aside their differences.
It's frankly silly to let Western notions for what these countries are like blind us to what drives Third World countries. EU and USA+Canada is around a billion people...on a planet of eight billion. Not everyone dances to our tune or sees things the way we do. And let's be blunt here...decision makers in the West have to factor in the fact that money talks and elites in these places are filthy rich. Just look at where sporting events have been held...China...Russia...Qatar...
RedVelvet, I, and the bulk of the State Department bureaucracy aren't too different in how we approach this. It's just how the world works...

International relations are a far more interesting genre of theory than "everything is simply interests, I am very smart". Dogmatic realists, just like dogmatic liberals or marxists, are simply delusional, and we've seen this very clearly in their failure to predict the strength of the global pushback against Russia's war.