Seattle synagogue vandalized with anti-Semitic grafiiti

[EnglishPete]

I agree such probable hoaxes are terrible. As usual, I'm sticking with my rule that this is a hoax until proven otherwise.

What do you mean by hoax? Like a false flag?

Yep

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That is exactly what is meant. Hoax hate crime like this is depressingly common.

[EnglishPete]

I agree such probable hoaxes are terrible. As usual, I'm sticking with my rule that this is a hoax until proven otherwise.

What do you mean by hoax? Like a false flag?

Yep

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That is exactly what is meant. Hoax hate crime like this is depressingly common.

Would you say its more or less common than hate crime?

I would say that it is more common than actual hate crime.

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Lying attention seekers. You've heard of Munchausen Sydrome

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and Munchausen's by proxy

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Well the same kind of lying attention seekers who might invent lies about suffering from illness can also do this for claims of being a victim of crime. People like this will tend to pick the type of crime in their society where claims of being a victim will attract the maximum sympathy or even hysteria while simultaneously  attracting the minimum scrutiny for the veracity of the claims. In 17th century England and America that was witchcraft. In the 21st century England and America that's hate crimes.

Just as in the 17th century the authorities and propagandists can turn a blind eye to what they realise is hysterical fabrication when it suits their purposes to do so.

[EnglishPete]

I agree such probable hoaxes are terrible. As usual, I'm sticking with my rule that this is a hoax until proven otherwise.

What do you mean by hoax? Like a false flag?

Yep

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That is exactly what is meant. Hoax hate crime like this is depressingly common.

Would you say its more or less common than hate crime?

I would say that it is more common than actual hate crime.

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Lying attention seekers. You've heard of Munchausen Sydrome

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and Munchausen's by proxy

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Well the same kind of lying attention seekers who might invent lies about suffering from illness can also do this for claims of being a victim of crime. People like this will tend to pick the type of crime in their society where claims of being a victim will attract the maximum sympathy or even hysteria while simultaneously  attracting the minimum scrutiny for the veracity of the claims. In 17th century England and America that was witchcraft. In the 21st century England and America that's hate crimes.

Just as in the 17th century the authorities and propagandists can turn a blind eye to what they realise is hysterical fabrication when it suits their purposes to do so.

Have you ever heard of Occam's razor?

What does Occam's razor saying about case after case after case after case of reported hate crimes being reported in the news and then in virtually every case it turns out to either have been completely invented or it was carried out by the 'victim' on themselves. What's occam's razor's explanation for that?

[EnglishPete]

Why did they vandalise the synagogue?

If it was a genuine hate crime - because they hate Jewish people

If it was a hoax - no, it was a false flag, because someone is trying to pin it on the far right, or wants to be a victim, or this, or that.

Generally, the simplest explanation is the most likely one.

And would you like to provide some evidence for your assertion that virtually every hate crims is a hoax? I suppose you think Thomas Mair was actually a pro-EU plant was he?

Of course. Hoax after hoax after hoax after hoax gets found out about hate crimes reported in the media. So new reports have to be accepted as genuine. You're right, that is the simplest's explanation.

[EnglishPete]

Why did they vandalise the synagogue?

If it was a genuine hate crime - because they hate Jewish people

If it was a hoax - no, it was a false flag, because someone is trying to pin it on the far right, or wants to be a victim, or this, or that.

Generally, the simplest explanation is the most likely one.

And would you like to provide some evidence for your assertion that virtually every hate crims is a hoax? I suppose you think Thomas Mair was actually a pro-EU plant was he?

Of course. Hoax after hoax after hoax after hoax gets found out about hate crimes reported in the media. So new reports have to be accepted as genuine. You're right, that is the simplest's explanation.

Do you think neo-Nazi and far right groups are simply not comitting anti-Semitic acts then?

Its possible. More likely though that these are hoaxes

[EnglishPete]

Why did they vandalise the synagogue?

If it was a genuine hate crime - because they hate Jewish people

If it was a hoax - no, it was a false flag, because someone is trying to pin it on the far right, or wants to be a victim, or this, or that.

Generally, the simplest explanation is the most likely one.

And would you like to provide some evidence for your assertion that virtually every hate crims is a hoax? I suppose you think Thomas Mair was actually a pro-EU plant was he?

Of course. Hoax after hoax after hoax after hoax gets found out about hate crimes reported in the media. So new reports have to be accepted as genuine. You're right, that is the simplest's explanation.

Do you think neo-Nazi and far right groups are simply not comitting anti-Semitic acts then?

Its possible. More likely though that these are hoaxes

I dont care whose doing it as long as it stops. The JCC in my hometown where I went as a child got a bomb threat. Im scared that one of these bomb threats turns out to be genuine.

The trouble is that that that communist guy who was arrested for making 12 of the phone call threats was probably not the only copycat. The amount of fear and panic these calls are generating, when compared with the ease of committing this type of crime is going to be quite attractive to a certain type of crazy person. The sheer number of these threats makes me suspect we're looking at multiple independent copycats.

[EnglishPete]

And here's yet another hoax. What a surprise

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https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/03/fake-jewish-hate-crime/

[EnglishPete]

I agree such probable hoaxes are terrible. As usual, I'm sticking with my rule that this is a hoax until proven otherwise.

Hoax? Why would anyone do such except if full of hatred toward Jews?

Either in order to get sympathy for themselves, or to direct blame towards the right, or most likely some combination of the two (see the example I give in the post immediately above yours).

This kind of behaviour has been going on since forever. In the 17th century this kind of attention seeking personality might have made accusations of being a victim of witchcraft, or might hoax up some evidence for witchcraft. That was the crime that generated the most hysteria so that was the crime they picked. In our own age its hate crime. The fact that this sort of hoax hurts jewish people by making them afraid is incidental to the perps' main purpose of generating sympathy and hysteria.

[EnglishPete]

Pete you should know I read all of your posts in Paul Joseph Watson's whiny accent. 

[EnglishPete]

Well, well, well

Who would have expected this

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-arrested-israel-connection-bomb-threats-us-jewish/story

[EnglishPete]

I seem to remember lots of leftists, both on this forum and elsewhere, saying that to suggest that these threats were a hoax was both sickening and probably antisemitic as well.

Will they

a/ say they were wrong
or
b/ call the Israeli police anti semitic
or perhaps
c/ pretend this never happened and repeat the same reactions when the next hoax comes along

I wonder

[EnglishPete]

I seem to remember lots of leftists, both on this forum and elsewhere, saying that to suggest that these threats were a hoax was both sickening and probably antisemitic as well.

Will they

a/ say they were wrong
or
b/ call the Israeli police anti semitic
or perhaps
c/ pretend this never happened and repeat the same reactions when the next hoax comes along

I wonder