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JJC
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« on: January 15, 2017, 12:29:49 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.
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JJC
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 12:56:14 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.

No, the system which has fostered and excused such attitudes and behavior is terrible. It's the one that has cultivated racist, sexist, and bigoted views in privileged people, even without them fully realizing it.

Stop accusing people who you disagree with politically of being 'privileged'. And especially stop doing so based on sex and skin color. That's racist and sexist. You are judging people and their morality based on their ethnicity and gender. Racist and sexist.

And all it really is is typical socialist envy-ism.

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps. You liberals talk about your 'safe space' (where you can pretend opposing opinions do not exists). Well I can tell you that Republicans certainly don't feel safe or included within your universities - they feel marginalized and even threatened if their political views become known.

Trust me, as a conservative in high school some 6 years ago I know what it's like to have liberal ideology spewed in my face and feeling like I couldn't speak out against it (especially from my English teachers.) And I'm in Texas.

But who cares? I'm a white male right? (Actually I'm mixed - my father was from Iran.) But thanks for judging me anyway.

Racist and sexist.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 01:00:05 PM »

Relevant article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/overwrought-political-correctness-helped-trump-win-a-1125725.html
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JJC
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2017, 01:55:23 AM »

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps.

I wish. Maybe your Texas schools are way more liberal than the schools up here in New York. Or maybe your views are so ridiculously right-wing that anything resembling centrism looks like liberal indoctrination and the smallest doses of rationality are socialist conspiracies. But I do like your version of reality where us liberals have more power than we actually do. Please tell me more.

Ignoring your non-sequitur, liberals completely dominate the industrial media complex as well as the education system. To deny that is to deny reality.

Over 90% of journalists identify as liberal in a nation where conservatives outnumber them 2-1. Over 95% of news endorsements favored Hillary in a nation that elected Trump. Don't even deny the news media liberal bias. That's like denying the earth is round.

Next is the culture media. Do you really want to go there and claim that hollywood/music industry is not liberally bias? You can't escape it. That's why low-info voters (this is different than non-college educated BTW) overwhelmingly vote liberal. They are predominantly millennial who are inundated by liberal news and culture media anytime they turn on the tv. You have to go out of your way to get an opposing view from the liberal orthodoxy - and most millennial can't be bothered.

And we know what happens to those who stand against the orthodoxy. Hell, virtually every celebrity that has announced they will perform at the inauguration has been attacked viciously and also had boycotts demanded against them. A board member of an outdoor gear company had donated to Trump, and that was cause for a boycott. The owners of Chic Fil A believed in traditional marriage, and that was cause to prevent their business in a major city. Ken Boone - a nobody who asked a question to Hillary that liberals didn't liked, got publicly doxxed - by the news media. That he watch porn on his Reddit account showed up in CNN, WaPo, NYT, NBC, Gizmodo, and every other lefty site. What was newsworthy about that? Nothing of course - they were trying to humiliate a dissenter, like they always do. The left tries to publicly attack, shame, and destroy the lives of anyone who dares go against their orthodoxy - to a point where conservative actors, scientist, and businessman stay quiet out of fear for their jobs or reputations.

As for education - I really don't know why liberals feel the need to insert their politics into everyday conversation no matter what the subject (I suspect that it's related to politics being their religion though). But I can tell you it's certainly true among liberal teachers. The things that are happening on college campuses range from laughable to fascistic.

Please, please read this article. It's not an opinion piece. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/overwrought-political-correctness-helped-trump-win-a-1125725.html
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Universities are supposed to spur learning, open up debate, expose people to many different world views and life challenges, and teach them how to overcome adversity. They have now become the opposite of those things; bubbles for people to exclude any opposing point of view, shut down dissent, and single out those they disagree with (kind of like fascism).

Anytime a conservative speaker is invited (which is rare), not only do they get death threats, but the University staff also get inundated with 'demands' to prevent the speech from happening. The staff themselves gets threats and doxed publicly. Students whine about how such an event will 'trigger' them to hear an opposing point of view. If the speech goes on anyway that speaker can expect constant interruptions during the event. Case in point - Milo yet again had a University speech cancelled because their students demanded it.

What is happening on our college campuses right now is insane - and certainly not on the plane of higher learning.
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