Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements

[ApatheticAustrian]

I'm willing to let this play out, but this could be the start of a betrayal.

betrayal of whom?

everyone knew this was going to happen.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Yeah, Bush did the same thing.

The difference was, Obama considered Jerusalem a settlement and considered any rejection by Israel of his diktats to be a personal betrayal that demanded retribution.

bibi worked on a personal level against obama and even made israel into a partisan issue through visiting the republicans and snubbing the democrats.

i am always amazed that everyone all the time criticizes the US for how they treat "israel", aka the israeli government but never ever follows the same rules for the behaviour of israel's government of radicals.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Bad, if true. Still better than any Hillary Clinton administration would have said or done.

if you follow that thought you can be in a position to never ever criticize any government, cause you are convinced someone else would be worse.

contrary to obama, who just talked, this government is ready to punish those who disagree with their worldview.

[ApatheticAustrian]

btw contrarian theory:

one of the many test ballons trump's administration chooses to test a topic.

if they don't like the results, they blame it on a media mistake, if it works, they go with it.

[ApatheticAustrian]

to put the other country's continued existence in jeopardy.

this is hyperbole.

in which way has obama endangered israel's existence? not nuking iran? asking for too much concessions?

[ApatheticAustrian]

2 state solution is dead.

at this point it would need a total switch of big areas of land to be worthwhile and even that wouldn't solve israel's demographic bomb.

demography vs religion is playing out live.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Surrendered Israel to the mercies of the Jew-hating United Nations as a final act of revenge.

i too have specific thoughts about the agenda of the UN in some areas but which consequences does a...rebuttal..by the UN have for israel?

[ApatheticAustrian]

Arab birthrate (outside Gaza) going down, Jewish birthrate going up (mainly due to insane Haredi population growth). It's clear Israel in 100 years will look like absolutely nothing we know, but it's not at all clear it will not be a Jewish state.

since you seem really informed on that matter, i believe you.

my question on the other hand would be, if such a state would be financially able to exist, if too many of the haredi population are - together with the security system - chewing away the social safety system.

edit: @beet...great minds think alike, haha xD

[ApatheticAustrian]

For the record, Trump does want to negotiate a deal, and settlement construction will have to halt in order for there to be talks, at least temporarily. The difference is that I expect Trump will actually expect to see movement from both sides when negotiating, which will change the balance of these talks significantly.

and bill clinton and bush didn't want to see movement?

[ApatheticAustrian]

as far as i am concered, hamas is a bunch of technocratic nazis and their subordinate groups are anarchistic nazis and the FATAH is a group of economically "liberal" and socially arch-conservative cleptocratic desk-sitting ex-terrorists, who are talking like hamas but not walking the walk anymore, cause the leaders know how much they need israel.

so well, i see both sides as screwed,...i just see the israeli side at least powerful and representative enough to cut a deal, while there is a big old power vacuum with the palestinians.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Obama and the Palestinians effectively killed the two-state solution.

obama? that's just absurd.

human nature and an effed up map killed it.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Exactly - don't announce loudly, just build.

announcing is important to keep the more extreme factions inside your tent.