McInnes assaulted at NYU. Pepperspayed. Professor advocated violence. 11 arrests

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McInnes deserves this.

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McInnes deserves this.

He deserves it much more than Milo does IMO but these sorts of things are counter-productive. The most effective tactic is still to just ignore them.

Ignoring people who spread hate and ignorance won't stop the spread of hate and ignorance. Too many liberals and conservatives today have become tolerant of behavior and rhetoric that's dangerous to our democracy and values. You don't ignore cancer and hope it goes away; you don't ignore a bully and hope they get tired of it; you destroy them.

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McInnes deserves this.

He deserves it much more than Milo does IMO but these sorts of things are counter-productive. The most effective tactic is still to just ignore them.

Ignoring people who spread hate and ignorance won't stop the spread of hate and ignorance. Too many liberals and conservatives today have become tolerant of behavior and rhetoric that's dangerous to our democracy and values. You don't ignore cancer and hope it goes away; you don't ignore a bully and hope they get tired of it; you destroy them.

This is actually the correct way of thinking; that which is antithetical to American democratic values must be confronted and dismissed directly. Of course, it is imperative for this confrontation to be held through dialogue and debate rather than fisticuffs. Those advocating for us to ignore such ideologies invoke the danger of eroding our values into a "dead dogma" as warned by Mill.

Exactly. I'd much, much rather everyone, left and right, D and R, stand in solidarity to let these people know their views aren't accepted and their speech won't be tolerated. We don't need violence to convey that point. But in the absence of such a unified front, as a last resort, I'd support violence against them if it's only the violent who're willing to confront them.

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I hope JJC's condescending tsk-tsk'ing over time causes more people here  to agree with the protestors.

No one but loons agree with you. You and your fascists cultist are an extreme minority and always will be.

You angry, bigoted, hateful people will always be a minority. Always. It may not seem like it to you, because people like you surround yourselves with like-minded cultists. But your ideas are horrible and your means of achieving them are even worse.

That's all you are; an angry, hateful, spiteful person who dreams of hurting people you don't like. 'Nazi' to you is just an insult. A 'Nazi' is a person you don't like. When you advocate 'punching nazi's', what you are really saying is; 'I support hurting people who I don't agree with'.

Which happens to be the vast majority of the country.

Because you are not normal. You never will be. Fortunately though, decent people far outnumber the violent radicals.

LMAO, all these criticisms could be applied to you far right dullards.

I never see far-righters rioting and trying to shut down descent. I never see them looting or breaking things.  If someone does, it is wrong and I condemn it.

I condemn all violence against people with differing opinions, no matter who they are, or how outrages I think those opinions are.

The left always labels conservatives as 'inciting violence' and 'threatening people'. Yet I see hatred, bigotry, and threats of violence against me every. single. day.

I can tune into MSNBC or any liberal blog (or 'news' network) and listen to people tell me that I'm racist xenophobic, bigoted, sexism--ect, ect. I can listen to them say that I should not be aloud to express my views because they deem them as hateful and bigoted.

Let me ask you, what's the difference between that, and some right winger wanting to strip muslims of the first amendment because he thinks they spread homophobia, bigotry, and sexism?

Where would you stand on that? I'm pretty sure you would be screaming about the downfall of liberty of such an instance.

For the record, I do think the ideology of islam spreads all of those things. And no, I don't think they should be silenced. And I condemn anyone who thinks they should be.

Silencing opposition - even opposition that you think is hateful - always leads to tyranny.

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It's as simple as this: dehumanizing another human being, for whatever reason, should be a crime. Period. And since it's unfortunately not a crime in America, then they should be blocked from public venues, including social media. But if those private organizations refuse to silence their hate, then it's the right of people to shut them down through protest or even violence, if necessary.

I love how the right wing is claiming to be the victims here. How rich is that? The people making the conscious choice of  victimizing others for their innate identities are whining about being victims because "the left isn't letting me degrade, endanger, humiliate, and spread hate towards others." Go to hell you sick freaks.

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I just wonder how supportive these same people defending Spencer, Milo, and McInnes would be of American universities allowing Salafis* to speak. They wouldn't possibly say the colleges are aiding "the enemy," would they? The headline on Drudge wouldn't say anything like "Leftwing university invites Islamic extremist to give speech." They rightwing here on Atlas would surely come to their defense, right? You know, because so long as they aren't being violent they deserve that freedom to speak on college campuses as well, yes? And the colleges would be wrong for denying that to them, correct?

*Salafis aren't necessarily violent or extremists. Some can be Islamists, yes. But Salafi doesn't equal Islamist. They still hold some very repugnant views on many issues, however - especially regarding homosexuals.

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It's as simple as this: dehumanizing another human being, for whatever reason, should be a crime. Period. And since it's unfortunately not a crime in America, then they should be blocked from public venues, including social media. But if those private organizations refuse to silence their hate, then it's the right of people to shut them down through protest or even violence, if necessary.

Fascist.

Definitely. I'm a very strong believer in a single-party state headed by a strongman with an authoritarian personality; advocate for the systematic dehumanization of other groups of people; and support the intricate cooperation between large corporations, the government, and society's "producers" at the expense of the disadvantaged. Oh wait, that sounds a lot like someone else I know...

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This is Antifa.



What's the likelihood of it being a white person who made this?

Assuming that's even real, those people who made it are just idiots.

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Richard Spencer is a Nazi, is anyone denying that?

But what does Gavin McInnes have to do with Richard Spencer?

Spencer is not a Nazi or a white supremacist. He is a white nationalist troll with some very bad views.

Implying that there's a difference between white supremacy and white nationalism is an adoption of the same narrative (designed by Spencer & Co.) that establishes a false distinction between alt right and neo-nazi. One cannot believe in white separatism without white supremacy, regardless of what the "I'm not a racist, I'm a racialist" loons say.

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McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

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McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

Cool story bro.

Yeah, except being a former blogger with the "alt right," I think I have a pretty damn good understanding of their mindset. Although you seem pretty well versed in it as well, probably from reading too much Breitbart. That news site is hardly even acknowledged among the deeper circles of the "alt right," like Taki's Magazine, to which Gavin McInnes regularly contributes(d).

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McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

I know they think that Asians are better than other minorities.  But I'd still think that most of them would be against any type of "race-mixing."

An alt-rightist once told me that "whites who prefer Asians should be deported to North Korea."

Understand that the "alt right" is definitely not a homogenous group, especially not of ideas.