Politico: FBI, Homeland Security call Antifa "domestic terrorists"

[Devout Centrist]

Hmm..I haven't seen the Phoenix chapter engage in violence. Blanket classification is a bad thing.

[Devout Centrist]

I agree that the idiots who go and destroy property are a detriment to society. But comparable to fascists? Certainly not.

I've been able to meet members of Phoenix Antifa and they're all rather unremarkable. They've got convictions, yes, but they're not terrorists.

[Devout Centrist]

Name one person killed by antifa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Neo_Irakleio_Golden_Dawn_office_shooting

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I don't know much spelling, but that doesn't look like it spells Antifa to me

[Devout Centrist]

Name one person killed by antifa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Neo_Irakleio_Golden_Dawn_office_shooting

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I don't know much spelling, but that doesn't look like it spells Antifa to me

Neither does "By Any Means Necessary" but regardless BAMN is an organised Antifa group. Antifa is an umbrella term for anarchist/communist/anarcho-communist extremist movements.

How is a decentralized American organization remotely related to a Greek group that's existed as a completely separate entity since its inception?

[Devout Centrist]

Antifa sees itself as a global movement. They don't recognize the validity of national borders, as they advocate for a global revolution.

Generalizing statement aside, this still doesn't show how they relate to this Greek group. Unless they endorsed this attack, you've pulled an unrelated incident that could be attributed to a group that may hold some of the same beliefs as Antifa as "proof" that Antifa has killed people. This is intellectual dishonesty to the extreme.

To flip the argument, it would be very dishonest of me to use Golden Dawn members killing Greeks to prove that the Alt-Right is a violent, terrorist group. There is no relation.

[Devout Centrist]

A lot of neo-Nazis have never punched a Jew and only focus on the cool uniforms.

But they still hate Jews and non-whites. Non-violent Antifa hate Nazis.

Gee, which is worse...

And people wearing the Antifa uniform have initiated violence against non-Nazis too.


But again, I don't care what stupid club people belong to.  If you initiate violence (or threaten it in attempt to silence someone), you're wrong.  There is a lot of that going around, not everybody on the left doing it is Antifa and there is plenty of it on both sides.

But we can keep dancing around, saying "some people wearing the Antifa uniform aren't violent thugs trying to shut down the other side (and NAZIS!) and this one guy I met in Toledo seemed like a nice guy" if you want.

Thanks, President Hindenburg