Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[mgop]

I truly hope that D666 and GL remain outside the government, they are the worst.

[mgop]

They don't have a majority in the senate though. D66 obviously isn't going to work with them just like the left-wing parties and I think the SJW-wing in CU is too big for CU to work with the PVV. That leaves only 50PLUS, and I think they would rather just sit at the sidelines than compromise and actually achieve anything

How does CU who is pro-life have a SJW-wing?

[mgop]

They don't have a majority in the senate though. D66 obviously isn't going to work with them just like the left-wing parties and I think the SJW-wing in CU is too big for CU to work with the PVV. That leaves only 50PLUS, and I think they would rather just sit at the sidelines than compromise and actually achieve anything

How does CU who is pro-life have a SJW-wing?

The Christian hipsters. Socially conservative, but fairly left-wing on issues like climate change, economics and refugees. SJW probably isn't the right word for it, but those people don't want to work with the PVV.

Oh too bad, i was thinking that they are maybe the best party and that they can work with PVV. Socially conservative and left wing economics sounds good, but climate change and refugees are probably the reason they are small party.

[mgop]

how realistic is cda-vvd minority gov with support of pvv, and buma as prime minister?

[mgop]

Can we say that CDA growth of poll support is somehow connected to the Buma? Or rather poor campaign by Rutte?

its connected with buma sounding more and more like wilders

[mgop]

i&o and their out of touch junk polls... just give all 150 to d666 and gl already lol

[mgop]

one thing is sure, new government will be short lived and highly unpopular

[mgop]

Green = "green" (D66, GL, PvdD) larger than populist (PVV, SP, 50Plus, FvD); yellow = the other way around. Map represents population distribution. The Alkmaar-Nijmegen progressive belt is real, folks.


without dams most of progressive belt would be under water, that would be nice netherlands why is nijmegen so progressive?

[mgop]

without dams most of progressive belt would be under water, that would be nice netherlands why is nijmegen so progressive?

University.

but thats catholic university. besides other cities also have universities but arent that much progressive.

[mgop]

but thats catholic university. besides other cities also have universities but arent that much progressive.

It's Catholic in name only nowadays, and I can tell you that it's one of the most progressive, left-wing universities in the country. Other university cities are progressive too: Leiden, Delft, Utrecht, Groningen and Wageningen were the only places won by D66 and are all university towns (though Utrecht is progressive and highly educated in general), in Rotterdam, Enschede, Eindhoven, Maastricht and Tilburg the student population is relatively smaller compared to the non-student population (and Maastricht has many internationals who don't vote), and I don't have to start about Amsterdam.

that makes sense. and yeah amsterdam, city where denk got more votes than pvv is really sad place...

[mgop]

Much ado about nothing in Utrecht, the fourth city of the country with a population of about 350k, where a proposal by the PvdD that 50% of the snacks at municipal events be vegetarian or vegan unexpectedly received a 23-22 majority with GL and D66 support. This received quite some national media attention as the local VVD kept droning on about their opposition to this "anti-liberal" motion and even called for an emergency debate to introduce a new motion that would retract the PvdD initiative. This VVD proposal was supported by no other parties and received much scorn by other parties, who blame the VVD for creating the impression that politicians in Utrecht only bother to talk about the snacks they consume.

Just one more reason why is necessary for sanity and future of the country that new government does NOT involve GL and D666.

[mgop]

6 months pass and still no gov, this will be record in dutch politics. whos running country, maybe new elections would be good idea.

[mgop]

6 months pass and still no gov, this will be record in dutch politics. whos running country, maybe new elections would be good idea.

New elections wouldn't solve much. You also have to take the senate into account, and the only semi-viable coalition which has a majority in the senate while not having one in the Tweede Kamer is CDA-D66-PvdA-SP (that's not going to happen and I doubt you would be happy with it). VVD-CDA-D66 doesn't have a majority in the senate and the next senate elections are in 2019. Meanwhile a right-wing bloc of VVD-PVV-CDA-SGP-FvD (I assume this is your preferred coalition) doesn't have a majority in the senate either, you would need to add 50PLUS and it would get really complicated after that. And VVD/CDA really don't want to work with Wilders again, they've said it for a billion times now. So with or without new elections, it's going to be VVD-CDA-D66-fourth party (or VVD-CDA-D66 minority).

The negotiations are in the final phase btw. Most people expect that there will be a cabinet by early October (a deal in a week or 2, plus another week to let the CPB analyze the economic effects of the cabinet's economic policy and to search for ministers).

It's possible that they will break the record. The record is 208 days and we're at day 180 (but the Belgian record is 500+ days ). But it's always hard to compare formations. The longest formation was van Agt I, but that largest part of that formation were the ultimately unsuccessful negotiations on a PvdA-CDA cabinet. The formation of the actual cabinet (CDA-VVD) only took 30 days or something (but because of a thin majority and annoying left-wing CDA MP's the cabinet literally achieved nothing, Lubbers' CDA-VVD cabinets were much more successful. Van Agt probably will be remembered as one of the worst Dutch PM's). It's the same with this formation. It took them 60 days to realize a VVD-CDA-D66-GL cabinet wasn't going to work (and another 2 weeks to realize it really wasn't going to work). Negotiations on VVD-CDA-D66-CU "only" lasted 50 days or so (they didn't negotiate during the summer break).

germany who had elections 6 months after netherlands will probably form government before dutch