Republican AG says he'll investigate Indiana doctor who provided care to 10-year-old rape victim

[GoTfan]

Abortion is the killing of the innocent human life, regardless of the circumstances.

All innocent life ought to not be killed. If an innocent human life is killed, their ought to be an investigation and prosecution.

Children's bodies are not meant to give birth. The innocent life here is that of the child who was raped, not of a clump of cells. This is ghoulish.

There are two (2) innocent human lives here.  Their interests were, at certain levels, at odds.  The unborn child was, however, no less human than it's mother, and the tragic circumstances of the conception do not diminish the humanity of the unborn child one iota.

What are people's capacity for love here?  The capacity to love a 10 year old child who's suffered something awful and who will have ongoing special medical and emotional needs, coupled with the capacity to love a newborn who would come into the World through tragic circumstances, but who is innocent, blameless, and undeserving of a painful death.

That this is life at its most difficult goes without saying, but there is the easy thing and the right thing here.  For myself, I would be prepared to turn my life upside down to bring all here to wholeness safe and sound.

My own situation is nowhere near as awful, but my 17 year old son is a step-grandson whose parents' lives went off the rails.  My prayer when it became clear that he would be ours to raise going forward was "God, don't let me fail that boy!".  That was a decision I made; I was not going to fail him, and with God's help, I haven't.  This situation is 10,000 more difficult, but to get through it requires making a decision to see the right thing through.  And my main priority would be on making my 10 year old daughter whole, if I were in that Father's situation.

The idea that the 10 year old would have the abortion and then just go on with her life is, likely, wishful thinking.  A 10 year old is certainly not ready to RAISE a child, but what happens when that 10 year old becomes a 20 year old with the belief that she KILLED that child?  Please don't tell me that doesn't happen; in my days as a counselor, I knew more than one female client who had remorse over abortions, and this child will not comprehend the whole of the act of an abortion until later.  How sideways could THAT go?  Now none of that has any impact as to the humanity of the child, either, but this idea that abortion negates the trauma of situations like this is simply not a given.

Your kind forcing these beliefs on everyone is why No Religion is the fastest growing 'Religion'.

[GoTfan]

The odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized over having an abortion at age 10 because she has since decided that abortion is murder and morally wrong even in such a situation would be minuscule compared to the odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized after giving birth at age 10.

Yeah. From these scenarios..

- Raped as a 10 year old, possibly by father or uncle
- Pregnant for 9 months including the baby kicking, morning sickness
- Giving birth as a 10 year old, maybe had some chance of dying
- Had an abortion when 10, ended the life of the fetus

... which do you think is most likely to cause deep trauma that requires therapy, and which do you think is least likely? Seems obvious to me.

Why would it be obvious?

If a child is raped and becomes pregnant, the likelihood of deep trauma that requires therapy is very high. Beyond that what basis is there for saying for sure whether abortion or birth would be more likely to compound the trauma? 

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I just don't even know what else to say at this point. If you honestly don't grasp what pregnancy and birth do mentally and physically to a body of any age, much less a preteen carrying her adult rapist's baby, I guess you're just going to have to take the word of people who do.

Why would I take your word for it?  I would take the word of women who had been through this or something similar, and had either had an abortion or given birth. The problem is we know that women don't all respond the same way in either situation.  What do you say to the women raped at a young age who regret their abortions and those who do not regret giving birth?

Obviously I would say "I respect your opinion but also recognize you're in the extreme minority." What else would you expect me to say?

There are plenty of testimonials out there of women who gave birth as a preteen if you honestly don't grasp how horrific it is.

Oh they do understand how horrific it is, they just don't care. A common pattern with conservatives of all stripes.

[GoTfan]

The idea that the 10 year old would have the abortion and then just go on with her life is, likely, wishful thinking.  A 10 year old is certainly not ready to RAISE a child, but what happens when that 10 year old becomes a 20 year old with the belief that she KILLED that child? 

If anyone were to try and tell this girl that she "killed her child", they are a horrible person. Full stop.

People come to that idea by themselves.  People really can use their own God-given logic.  They can see an unborn child (theirs, or someone else's) and  see it as human.  They can do that without the help of the "Right Wing Noise Machine"; they can look at their unborn child, or the unborn child of another and say, "I was there once!".  And, having concluded that, they can ask themselves if the child was a human yesterday.  And the day before that.  And the day before that, etc.  That's an easy thing to do with human life that is at a stage that you were once at.

Of course, maybe you can't.  Maybe your immersion into your particular World View has neutralized a part of your basic humanity.  If that's the case, that's a shame.

Logic is not given by whatever magical sky being exists. It is something that one learns through experience.

[GoTfan]

The idea that the 10 year old would have the abortion and then just go on with her life is, likely, wishful thinking.  A 10 year old is certainly not ready to RAISE a child, but what happens when that 10 year old becomes a 20 year old with the belief that she KILLED that child? 

If anyone were to try and tell this girl that she "killed her child", they are a horrible person. Full stop.

People come to that idea by themselves.  People really can use their own God-given logic.  They can see an unborn child (theirs, or someone else's) and  see it as human.  They can do that without the help of the "Right Wing Noise Machine"; they can look at their unborn child, or the unborn child of another and say, "I was there once!".  And, having concluded that, they can ask themselves if the child was a human yesterday.  And the day before that.  And the day before that, etc.  That's an easy thing to do with human life that is at a stage that you were once at.

Of course, maybe you can't.  Maybe your immersion into your particular World View has neutralized a part of your basic humanity.  If that's the case, that's a shame.

Logic is not given by whatever magical sky being exists. It is something that one learns through experience.

Some of that experience involves giving an ear to logical arguments you were previously disposed against.  Thinking the whole thing through to its logical conclusion.

Get used to it mate. 'No Religion' is growing quickly.

[GoTfan]

The idea that the 10 year old would have the abortion and then just go on with her life is, likely, wishful thinking.  A 10 year old is certainly not ready to RAISE a child, but what happens when that 10 year old becomes a 20 year old with the belief that she KILLED that child? 

If anyone were to try and tell this girl that she "killed her child", they are a horrible person. Full stop.

People come to that idea by themselves.  People really can use their own God-given logic.  They can see an unborn child (theirs, or someone else's) and  see it as human.  They can do that without the help of the "Right Wing Noise Machine"; they can look at their unborn child, or the unborn child of another and say, "I was there once!".  And, having concluded that, they can ask themselves if the child was a human yesterday.  And the day before that.  And the day before that, etc.  That's an easy thing to do with human life that is at a stage that you were once at.

Of course, maybe you can't.  Maybe your immersion into your particular World View has neutralized a part of your basic humanity.  If that's the case, that's a shame.

Logic is not given by whatever magical sky being exists. It is something that one learns through experience.

Some of that experience involves giving an ear to logical arguments you were previously disposed against.  Thinking the whole thing through to its logical conclusion.

Get used to it mate. 'No Religion' is growing quickly.

Scripture says all of this will happen:

2 Thessalonians 2:1–3
The New King James Version
The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ band our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of 1Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

What happens happens.  I wish for all to come to Jesus and be Saved, but not all will.

Mate, the reason why 'No Religion ' is growing is because of people like you continuously spouting this kind of nonsense.

[GoTfan]

Because it wouldn’t be effective. The women would call the police, I’d get put in prison for assault/kidnapping (losing the ability to vote for pro-life politicians), and then the women would get the abortion anyway, and moderates on the fence would look at me and say, “pro lifers are wackos. I’m against them.”

So the only reason you wouldn’t kidnap a woman trying to get an abortion is because you think you’d probably get caught?

I can't imagine anyone being comfortable with making children (even as young as ten!) giving birth to children.  How sick can you be to live with yourself and yet hold that view?

How sick can you be to want to snuff the life of an unborn child out?  That's a fair question.  My unborn grandchild felt pain when aborted, more pain than you would accept if it were a convicted murderer dying by lethal injection.  (Yes, I can fight melodrama with melodrama.)

Do you think your daughter/daughter-in-law is a murderer? Do you think they’re going to Hell for murdering their own child? If they gave birth and smothered their newborn, would you feel differently?

The only thing people go to Hell for is rejecting the Salvation of Jesus Christ.  They choose not to believe and not to accept the only propitiation for their Sin, which is the Redemptive Work of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

I do not believe that people who have abortions (or, for that matter, abortion doctors) have murderous intent when they do what they do.  But God does consider it the taking of Innocent Human Life.  My prayer for all those that have had abortions is that they realize that God loves them and wants them to come to Christ.  My prayer for God's Church is that we be ready to minister to all that would come to him.

That's a dodge. Answer the question.

[GoTfan]

Because it wouldn’t be effective. The women would call the police, I’d get put in prison for assault/kidnapping (losing the ability to vote for pro-life politicians), and then the women would get the abortion anyway, and moderates on the fence would look at me and say, “pro lifers are wackos. I’m against them.”

So the only reason you wouldn’t kidnap a woman trying to get an abortion is because you think you’d probably get caught?

I can't imagine anyone being comfortable with making children (even as young as ten!) giving birth to children.  How sick can you be to live with yourself and yet hold that view?

How sick can you be to want to snuff the life of an unborn child out?  That's a fair question.  My unborn grandchild felt pain when aborted, more pain than you would accept if it were a convicted murderer dying by lethal injection.  (Yes, I can fight melodrama with melodrama.)

Do you think your daughter/daughter-in-law is a murderer? Do you think they’re going to Hell for murdering their own child? If they gave birth and smothered their newborn, would you feel differently?

The only thing people go to Hell for is rejecting the Salvation of Jesus Christ.  They choose not to believe and not to accept the only propitiation for their Sin, which is the Redemptive Work of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

I do not believe that people who have abortions (or, for that matter, abortion doctors) have murderous intent when they do what they do.  But God does consider it the taking of Innocent Human Life.  My prayer for all those that have had abortions is that they realize that God loves them and wants them to come to Christ.  My prayer for God's Church is that we be ready to minister to all that would come to him.

That's a dodge. Answer the question.

That's not a Dodge.  That's a bottom line.  If it's not good enough for you, too bad.

When someone asks a yes or no question, refusing to directly answer yes or no is a dodge.