American Women are having more Abortions

[GoTfan]

Frank, are you just trying to “pwn teh cons”?

Absolutely not.

I'm not sure what I can say without it being considered personal, or a 'personal attack.' I normally don't care about anybody here because what matters to me is the ideas, not the personalities. However,

1.In terms of not being original: I doubt that DT is saying anything that has not been said by others previously, even if he is not quoting. In fact, claiming (falsely) that a non viable fetus is the equivalent of a human life would carry no weight if it were an original argument of DT's. If one private individual held that view alone, it would be of no significance.  I quoted that rather than write my own post because it was easier.

2.More importantly, I think it does get to the heart of the abortion issue, which I regard as the ultimate in virtue signalling, for the reasons pointed out in that quote: it allows the individual to feel morally superior to others (or at least fine with themselves morally) while making absolutely no sacrifice or having any cost to themselves. 

3.So, this is the personal part, in that in another thread DT wrote this:

After two years of covid hysteria, it's very obvious who the public health bureaucrats at the CDC are in business for.  Normal people do not act, think or talk like this.       

1 million deaths from Covid in the United States in two years is hysteria?  I think it is absolutely fair to question the committment a person has to actual human life when they minimize 1 million deaths as 'hysteria.'     

The difference: moralizing about other people having abortion is easy, actually doing something in a time of pandemic is not as easy (at least it wasn't to Americans.)

On the contrary, it could just as easily be said that advocating for prenatal children is the most thankless job there is.  If we choose to ignore the unborn, they literally go away.  They're the only group completely unable to ever speak for themselves.  Advocating for the unborn is worth it if you see them as the most vulnerable members of our society.

Secondly, there is nothing more "sacrificial" about advocating for the poor, sick, homeless, etc. if your only proposed solution for them is more taxes on the rich.  Christians get credit for running a parallel cradle-to-grave welfare state for orphans, widows, prisoners, immigrants, shut-ins, etc. that has existed for centuries, with much more effect and long before any government ever got around to it.

The parroted quote relies on so many ungracious assumptions about pro-life Christians that it cannot be considered anything other than bait to dangle in front of online slacktivists like yourself, itching to get an "own" in on people they already decided to hate a long time ago.  I'll stand by my characterization of you. 

Pro-life people are usually just anti-choice. Actually pro-life people would be anti-death penalty and pro-paid family leave, pro-birth control, pro-sex education, and so on. That last one is critical because proper sex education would prevent more abortions by properly educating people.

I've got plenty of reasons for believing that the anti-choice crowd are not just fundamentally bad people, but also just refuse to hear actual solutions because of a single-mindedness that "We ban abortions=no more abortions."

Ceausescu tried that. It didn't work out too well.

[GoTfan]

Frank, are you just trying to “pwn teh cons”?

Absolutely not.

I'm not sure what I can say without it being considered personal, or a 'personal attack.' I normally don't care about anybody here because what matters to me is the ideas, not the personalities. However,

1.In terms of not being original: I doubt that DT is saying anything that has not been said by others previously, even if he is not quoting. In fact, claiming (falsely) that a non viable fetus is the equivalent of a human life would carry no weight if it were an original argument of DT's. If one private individual held that view alone, it would be of no significance.  I quoted that rather than write my own post because it was easier.

2.More importantly, I think it does get to the heart of the abortion issue, which I regard as the ultimate in virtue signalling, for the reasons pointed out in that quote: it allows the individual to feel morally superior to others (or at least fine with themselves morally) while making absolutely no sacrifice or having any cost to themselves. 

3.So, this is the personal part, in that in another thread DT wrote this:

After two years of covid hysteria, it's very obvious who the public health bureaucrats at the CDC are in business for.  Normal people do not act, think or talk like this.       

1 million deaths from Covid in the United States in two years is hysteria?  I think it is absolutely fair to question the committment a person has to actual human life when they minimize 1 million deaths as 'hysteria.'     

The difference: moralizing about other people having abortion is easy, actually doing something in a time of pandemic is not as easy (at least it wasn't to Americans.)

On the contrary, it could just as easily be said that advocating for prenatal children is the most thankless job there is.  If we choose to ignore the unborn, they literally go away.  They're the only group completely unable to ever speak for themselves.  Advocating for the unborn is worth it if you see them as the most vulnerable members of our society.

Secondly, there is nothing more "sacrificial" about advocating for the poor, sick, homeless, etc. if your only proposed solution for them is more taxes on the rich.  Christians get credit for running a parallel cradle-to-grave welfare state for orphans, widows, prisoners, immigrants, shut-ins, etc. that has existed for centuries, with much more effect and long before any government ever got around to it.

The parroted quote relies on so many ungracious assumptions about pro-life Christians that it cannot be considered anything other than bait to dangle in front of online slacktivists like yourself, itching to get an "own" in on people they already decided to hate a long time ago.  I'll stand by my characterization of you. 

Pro-life people are usually just anti-choice. Actually pro-life people would be anti-death penalty and pro-paid family leave, pro-birth control, pro-sex education, and so on. That last one is critical because proper sex education would prevent more abortions by properly educating people.

I've got plenty of reasons for believing that the anti-choice crowd are not just fundamentally bad people, but also just refuse to hear actual solutions because of a single-mindedness that "We ban abortions=no more abortions."

Ceausescu tried that. It didn't work out too well.

"Pro-life" is a catchphrase meant to communicate someone's opinion on a single issue, not establish a consistent life ethic.  An issue like the death penalty is fundamentally different from abortion across multiple dimensions, that you seemingly can't understand or acknowledge such only establishes that you are operating in bad faith.  Ditto for sex ed, parental leave, etc.

No serious pro-lifers (i.e., non-15-year-old Catholic school girls) think overturning Roe or whatever is going to reduce abortion to zero.  But the legality of abortion obviously does have great implications for how accessible and common it will be.   

Explain how. Because all banning it does is make it far more dangerous to carry out, and would qlso be condemning thousands, if not millions, to a life of poverty.

But wait, pro-lifers don't care about poverty, because as you admitted, it's single-mindedess and damn all consistency.