Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[GoTfan]

Something interesting I stumbled on while reading I Heard You Paint Houses was that when he first ran for Senate, Biden got the endorsement of the Teamsters Local, which was headed up by none other than Frank 'The Irishman' Sheeran.

I'm not dumb enough to claim that Biden's linked with organised crime. Just an interesting factoid.

[GoTfan]

Chirst knows I have my problems with Biden, but I vastly prefer him to re-electing Trump. He at least would be willing to talk with the left and try to work with progressives, or at least I assume he would.

[GoTfan]

Chirst knows I have my problems with Biden, but I vastly prefer him to re-electing Trump. He at least would be willing to talk with the left and try to work with progressives, or at least I assume he would.

Good to hear you're on Team Blue. We don't see eye to eye on politics but this is something that the left has to gasp. Why spend your existence being petty that Bernie lost the nomination while you could work some change in the system by supporting the nominee? Pressure Biden if you think he's not fulfilling your movement goals, lords know I've been critical of him in the past. Blaming the party is not going to go anywhere, not in a two-party system as we have in this great nation.

I'm a reluctant member. I habe a whole nost of problems with the Democratic Party. I happen to think they're weak and spineless blowhards who collapse at the first sign of gunfire who take the progressive wing for granted.

That said, when the choice is having a moderate liberal party and a party that supports a President who has referred to Neo-Nazis as 'very fine people' and is bent on exploiting the working class through gutting unions, maintaining a low minimum wage, embracing full-throated protectionsim without consideration for balancing protecting industry and international trade,  and more than anything else, openly refuses to acknowledge the scientific reality of climate change, the choice is very, very clear.

As a personal note, my family is German-Australian. My Great Grandfather was born in Brandenburg. He fought for Australia in the First World War. He fought for Britain in the Second World War. He did not fight against his birth nation in the 1940s to see Nazis rise again.

[GoTfan]

Pete should probably give the convention keynote speech.

I agree! He's a very talented speaker. And he should be given a major cabinet position since the vice presidential will most likely be filled with a woman (Harris, Klobuchar, Demings or Barragan would be great). I like the idea of UN Ambassador, since that would raise his international profile and add foreign policy credentials to his list. Probably a safe bet now that he'll be part of the administration if Joe Biden is president next January. Beto could also be tapped for something like Commerce or Energy.

UN Ambassador is good, HUD is another option.  I want the big positions (state, treasury, defense) to be filled in by well-respected experts in their fields.  Hillary Clinton should be SoS again.

I would love Hillary as SOS again, but she and Biden had bad blood towards each other during the Obama administration.

Russ Feingold perhaps?

[GoTfan]

Would any Biden supporters be open to the idea of Tammy Baldwin as VP?

[GoTfan]

Would any Biden supporters be open to the idea of Tammy Baldwin as VP?

Abso-freakin'-lutely. Would this be a good pick you think?

From my position she's the best choice. She's tough as nails, she's a woman, she's openly gay (the first openly LGBT Senator ever), has a proven ability to win tough elections and is from a state Trump needs to win. Not to mention she's young enough to be the heir apparent should Biden not run again in 2024.

Perhaps most critically, she's also an ardent progressive and strong M4A supporter, so she passes the Sanders Litmus Test. It'd be a way of saying that Biden is amenable to the party's left, and would basically nullify a lot of opposition to him.

[GoTfan]

I'm all for a progressive VP - we just can't sacrifice other helpful elements in a VP candidate (female, minority, and/or young) to do it. I'd back Baldwin, though someone like Cortez Masto may be better if we're running a Sun Belt play.

The Democratic party cannot afford to spit in progressives' faces once more.

[GoTfan]

The narrative has shifted from "BERNIE IS THE NOMINEE, GET BEHIND HIM!" to "BIDEN IS SENILE!!".

Yeah, the morning after Super Tuesday I was told the Berners were going to accept defeat and it was time to unify and end the divisiveness.

Now they've all gotten the marching orders:  Push the "Biden is [redacted by moderator]" narrative at every opportunity.

You were sahing the exact same thing about Bernie less than a weeks ago.

It just proves my point. Biden supporters don't care about anyone to their left.

[GoTfan]

You were sahing the exact same thing about Bernie less than a weeks ago.

It just proves my point. Biden supporters don't care about anyone to their left.

Cool story, bro. Too bad it's not true.

And yet what you're saying contradicts evidence.

[GoTfan]

You sound like a broken record on this, so I'm curious, what actual evidence is there outside of a few posts on this forum and elsewhere? And question two is what does "caring about anyone to their left" actually mean?

I just point to Biden's record.

And it means that not one Biden supporter cares one jot for progressives. You all are saying i'm an idiot for believing this, but not actually proving me wrong.

[GoTfan]

You were sahing the exact same thing about Bernie less than a weeks ago.

It just proves my point. Biden supporters don't care about anyone to their left.

Cool story, bro. Too bad it's not true.

And yet what you're saying contradicts evidence.

You sound like a broken record on this, so I'm curious, what actual evidence is there outside of a few posts on this forum and elsewhere? And question two is what does "caring about anyone to their left" actually mean?

I just point to Biden's record.

And it means that not one Biden supporter cares one jot for progressives. You all are saying i'm an idiot for believing this, but not actually proving me wrong.

I personally am not saying you're an idiot. I just don't know what I can prove wrong because you haven't been very specific about why you are so upset.

You mentioned Biden's record, and I agree that there are problems with it. It's partly why I never really supported him, but I do believe that the Democratic Party has shifted to the left and Biden, as with most "moderate" candidates have noticed that. The average Democrat is probably to Obama's left now, and even if it isn't to the point you might find ideal, as long as the Democratic electorate keeps holding elected officials' feet to the fire, they will comply as best as they can to pursue more progressive policies. How left a potential Biden Presidency will be is going to have a lot to do with the makeup of Congress though.

Oh please. This thread tells me all I need to know that Biden supporters are going to fight tooth and nail to srop the left from gaining any influence.

[GoTfan]

The narrative has shifted from "BERNIE IS THE NOMINEE, GET BEHIND HIM!" to "BIDEN IS SENILE!!".

Yeah, the morning after Super Tuesday I was told the Berners were going to accept defeat and it was time to unify and end the divisiveness.

Now they've all gotten the marching orders:  Push the "Biden is retarded" narrative at every opportunity.

You were sahing the exact same thing about Bernie less than a weeks ago.

It just proves my point. Biden supporters don't care about anyone to their left.

Cool story, bro. Too bad it's not true.

And yet what you're saying contradicts evidence.

You sound like a broken record on this, so I'm curious, what actual evidence is there outside of a few posts on this forum and elsewhere? And question two is what does "caring about anyone to their left" actually mean?

I just point to Biden's record.

And it means that not one Biden supporter cares one jot for progressives. You all are saying i'm an idiot for believing this, but not actually proving me wrong.

I personally am not saying you're an idiot. I just don't know what I can prove wrong because you haven't been very specific about why you are so upset.

You mentioned Biden's record, and I agree that there are problems with it. It's partly why I never really supported him, but I do believe that the Democratic Party has shifted to the left and Biden, as with most "moderate" candidates have noticed that. The average Democrat is probably to Obama's left now, and even if it isn't to the point you might find ideal, as long as the Democratic electorate keeps holding elected officials' feet to the fire, they will comply as best as they can to pursue more progressive policies. How left a potential Biden Presidency will be is going to have a lot to do with the makeup of Congress though.

Oh please. This thread tells me all I need to know that Biden supporters are going to fight tooth and nail to srop the left from gaining any influence.

I'm trying not to lose my patience with you here, I am trying to hear you out and reason with you, but you don't seem open to want to be reasoned with. Again, I am getting nothing out of you when it comes to what you actually want out of Biden and his supporters.

I stopped caring what others thought about me after my third suicide attempt, so I don't really care if you lose your patience with me or not.

I want them to actually try to convince me that there is room for progressives in their party, or if we'll get shunted out for moderate Republicans, which seems to to be happening.

I'm sorry to hear that, I' have depression issues as well. I understand the helpless feelings you may have, just look at my username. And I don't mean to come across as cross with you. I just want more specifics out of you so that I know what can be done by the campaign to potentially gain the support of people with your perspective.

Then convince me. Convince me that Biden doesn't just see us as an inconvenience. Convince me that he will not aimply lock us out on the cold. Comvince me that he will work with us on our issues, instead of just paying lip service.

Hell, I want to be convinced, but the only response I've gotten is various levels of calling me an idiot, from subtle implication to outright saying it.