Dems/leaners: Should Biden drop out?

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

His polling is bad enough that he should, but realistically it would be hard to pull off now that he has declared without massively damaging his and the Democratic party's credibility. He should've just stuck to his original plans and passed the torch to Harris, but now it'd be hard to pull off.

We'd still be better off than if he is the nominee. I swear to god

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Plenty of people want him to drop put, no one seems to want to advocate for a replacement. Harris and Newsom are both rather weak. Those that really want him gone if they are sincere need to come up with the alternative and fast.

A "replacement" should be chosen through the normal primary process, just like every election cycle without the incumbent running. I could easily list 6-8 stronger candidates off the top of my head (and have in other threads), but the voters should decide.

The voters will decide anyway. But if you have an active opinion that Biden should drop out and think it's important, then you should come up with an alternative. It is much harder to oppose something with nothing. If you want him out you need pressure, and there's not going to be sufficient pressure without a clear alternative.

Any of the following (and I’m sure several more if I thought a little harder):
- Wes Moore
- Steve Beshear
- Tammy Duckworth
- Raphael Warnock
- Mark Kelly
- Wes Moore
- Gretchen Whitmer
- Jared Polis
- Josh Shapiro

Why any of these people would risk their future careers as a sacrificial lamb candidate is beyond me, and Democrats poisoning the well when these people are still needed in their current role or to be used elsewhere is suicidal.

Biden is the candidate chosen to deal with the Trump question in 2020, he's the least risk option at this point unless you want to appear even weaker downballot. If you want, you can find some sacrificial lamb to be brought in during a brokered convention–Laura Kelly seems doable as an inoffensive candidate–but be prepared to deal with the consequences of it turning into a media circus because it will be a general s•••show.

I’m absolutely not saying any of these people should run -against- Biden.  I’m saying they are stronger alternatives if Biden retires.

If 75% or whatever of Democratic voters actually want a different candidate than Biden, these candidates shouldn't be afraid of running against him. The fact that nobody but Dean Phillips is willing to do so tells me that none of those guys really believe that Biden's situation is so dire.

No one said democratic voters were in touch with reality. The reality is we are doomed if we don't run someone else. Period. You can put your fingers in your ears and cry about ageism and how unfair it is but reality is reality. Biden is unpopular, he's damaged beyond belief and we need to pass the torch to anybody else. Whitmer, Beshear, and again, even Newsom or Harris would be better at this point!

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Isn’t this the same logic as "Trump will win in a landslide because of his rallies and crowds"?

No, it's the same argument as "If Trump beats Biden in a landslide next November, a hypothetical poll saying that 75% of voters didn't want Trump to win was probably wrong.

Also, Biden's problems go way beyond Democratic enthusiasm — he still wins 85%+ of Democrats even in most polls which show him trailing badly in swing states such as PA and MI.

That may be true, but it's not really relevant to the discussion at hand, which is only whether the polls suggesting that 75% or more of Democrats want someone other than Biden to be the nominee are correct or not. I suspect that they are not, because if they were Phillips would be getting more traction and Newsom would have probably jumped in, but there's still time for me to be proven wrong. Whether these polls are wrong intentionally, because of bad methodology, or because voters are telling pollsters things they don't sincerely believe is another question too which I don't know the answer.

Can you imagine a scenario where a company would prefer that a well-liked long-time employee would retire, but don't feel they have grounds to fire them?  A lot of Dems feel the same way about Biden.

Arguing with Harry is pointless dude, don’t even bother