11 year old rape victim forced to carry to term thanks to Ohio law.

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https://www.lifenews.com/2016/12/16/i-was-conceived-in-rape-but-im-glad-i-wasnt-aborted-i-did-not-deserve-death-for-my-fathers-crime/?fbclid=IwAR3S2JjL6YyTv_WWvFM7nf1oQmkJQN_LXR-tIJN85oqEYDr2kXFpc-nfSJo

So what would you say to this woman who was conceived in rape?



I mean, she's a real person; what do you say to her?

If you asked afleitch, he'd just say she never should have been born.

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I mean, she's a real person; what do you say to her?

I would say: You matter because you were born. Had you never been born, it would not have been an injustice. The same goes for me and everyone else.

At least you're honest about that, but she would have suffered painful death.

I was a human being before I was born.  Was it open season on me then?

Obviously I was referring to birth as a shorthand for coming into being. To the extent that there is consciousness before birth, an abortion should not be allowed after that point.

He thinks any measure to prevent a child after the last conscious act to create that child constitutes killing a person and cannot be justified, even theoretically.

I believe that at conception (sperm plus egg getting together) a human life, complete with an eternal soul, is created at that point.  It is not a fully developed human life, but neither is a newborn infant, for that matter.

I believe that Fuzzy Bear is not qualified to speak on behalf of women.

If that is your argument, pro-choice men on this thread aren't qualified to speak on behalf of women on this issue, either.

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Yes, because speaking out in support of the rights of other people that were being restricted and disrespected is clearly the same thing as speaking out in support of restricting and disrespecting other people's rights.

You got me there.

Not all women support pro-choice policies. You advocating for it is equally as disrespectful as pro-life men advocating their position.

To use your logic: you don't have a uterus, you don't get a say on this issue.