Israel-Gaza war

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Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

Israelis steal their land and you call the “Nazis”.

How ironic.

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Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

They've been doing such a great job of that in the West Bank, haven't they! My understanding is that the enlightened and evenhanded rule of Israelis there has left Palestinians absolutely smitten with their settler neighbors. Gaza will most likely be "denazified" within weeks!

I mean come on. This dishonesty really irks me. Just say that you value Israeli lives over Palestinian lives.

…and when anyone points a finger at Israel, it’s antisemitism

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Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

Israelis steal their land and you call the “Nazis”.

How ironic.

Hamas, like the Nazis, explicitly seeks to exterminate every last Jew. It's right there in their charter! They are shockingly open about this.

Does anyone remember when the Israelis stole German land?

Oh, wait!

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Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

Israelis steal their land and you call the “Nazis”.

How ironic.

Hamas, like the Nazis, explicitly seeks to exterminate every last Jew. It's right there in their charter! They are shockingly open about this.

Does anyone remember when the Israelis steal German land?

Oh wait!

Israel did not steal land; the Israelis immigrated, formed a government, decolonized, and then became a majority (basically in that order). Israel exists because of immigration policy, not conquest (except arguably in the Golan Heights).

Saying "all immigrants are settlers, kill them" is normally something I associate with the far-right, for some reason except when it comes to the Mandate of Palestine. No, we should not all live in hermit kingdoms, and forming new societies is good. Settlement (organized immigration from relatively wealthy to relatively poor countries to start new societies), so long as it is not accompanied by conquest, is basically good. Unfortunately the problem here is that the Palestinians did not get buy-in, because the immigration policy was set by the British Mandate rather than by a democratic Palestinian government, but that does not negate it or give Palestinian liberationists a reason to ethnically cleanse the area, much as the ethnically-Albanian majority in Kosovo only exists because of Ottoman rule but that is not a valid reason for Serbia to ethnically cleanse the area.

I was talking about occupied Palestinian territory.

[pppolitics]

Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

Israelis steal their land and you call the “Nazis”.

How ironic.

Hamas, like the Nazis, explicitly seeks to exterminate every last Jew. It's right there in their charter! They are shockingly open about this.

Does anyone remember when the Israelis steal German land?

Oh wait!

Israel did not steal land; the Israelis immigrated, formed a government, decolonized, and then became a majority (basically in that order). Israel exists because of immigration policy, not conquest (except arguably in the Golan Heights).

Saying "all immigrants are settlers, kill them" is normally something I associate with the far-right, for some reason except when it comes to the Mandate of Palestine. No, we should not all live in hermit kingdoms, and forming new societies is good. Settlement (organized immigration from relatively wealthy to relatively poor countries to start new societies), so long as it is not accompanied by conquest, is basically good. Unfortunately the problem here is that the Palestinians did not get buy-in, because the immigration policy was set by the British Mandate rather than by a democratic Palestinian government, but that does not negate it or give Palestinian liberationists a reason to ethnically cleanse the area, much as the ethnically-Albanian majority in Kosovo only exists because of Ottoman rule but that is not a valid reason for Serbia to ethnically cleanse the area.

I was talking about occupied Palestinian territory.

There is no general right to independence for areas which are not colonies, so there is no right to Palestinian independence. Both the West Bank and Gaza were part of the Mandate, so under international law they belong to Israel. Israel has never annexed them pending a final settlement, after which there can be mass international recognition of Palestine (as with South Sudan breaking off of Sudan, for another post-colonial conflict where the borders did not make sense which ended in a divorce), but in the meantime Israel is occupying its own unincorporated territory, and so it sets the immigration law for those areas.

(This is pretty absurd, and what would happen in normal places is that the Palestinians would have Israeli citizenship, but this didn't happen on account of the Jordanian/Egyptian occupations and the fact that it would later have been seen as very provocative -- and that most Israelis do not want to be in the same country as the Palestinians, much as the Palestinians do not want to be in the same country as the Israelis. Nevertheless the West Bank and Gaza settlements are legal -- this is a minority interpretation of the law but it is what a naïve application of it tends to imply -- and the most serious crime the Israeli state has actually committed was the ethnic cleansing of Israelis from the Gaza Strip in 2004.)

The United Nations said otherwise.

[pppolitics]

Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

Israelis steal their land and you call the “Nazis”.

How ironic.

Hamas, like the Nazis, explicitly seeks to exterminate every last Jew. It's right there in their charter! They are shockingly open about this.

Does anyone remember when the Israelis steal German land?

Oh wait!

Israel did not steal land; the Israelis immigrated, formed a government, decolonized, and then became a majority (basically in that order). Israel exists because of immigration policy, not conquest (except arguably in the Golan Heights).

Saying "all immigrants are settlers, kill them" is normally something I associate with the far-right, for some reason except when it comes to the Mandate of Palestine. No, we should not all live in hermit kingdoms, and forming new societies is good. Settlement (organized immigration from relatively wealthy to relatively poor countries to start new societies), so long as it is not accompanied by conquest, is basically good. Unfortunately the problem here is that the Palestinians did not get buy-in, because the immigration policy was set by the British Mandate rather than by a democratic Palestinian government, but that does not negate it or give Palestinian liberationists a reason to ethnically cleanse the area, much as the ethnically-Albanian majority in Kosovo only exists because of Ottoman rule but that is not a valid reason for Serbia to ethnically cleanse the area.

I was talking about occupied Palestinian territory.

There is no general right to independence for areas which are not colonies, so there is no right to Palestinian independence. Both the West Bank and Gaza were part of the Mandate, so under international law they belong to Israel. Israel has never annexed them pending a final settlement, after which there can be mass international recognition of Palestine (as with South Sudan breaking off of Sudan, for another post-colonial conflict where the borders did not make sense which ended in a divorce), but in the meantime Israel is occupying its own unincorporated territory, and so it sets the immigration law for those areas.

(This is pretty absurd, and what would happen in normal places is that the Palestinians would have Israeli citizenship, but this didn't happen on account of the Jordanian/Egyptian occupations and the fact that it would later have been seen as very provocative -- and that most Israelis do not want to be in the same country as the Palestinians, much as the Palestinians do not want to be in the same country as the Israelis. Nevertheless the West Bank and Gaza settlements are legal -- this is a minority interpretation of the law but it is what a naïve application of it tends to imply -- and the most serious crime the Israeli state has actually committed was the ethnic cleansing of Israelis from the Gaza Strip in 2004.)

The United Nations said otherwise.

I know. It is a mark against the United Nations.

Clearly, you know better the United Nations.

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Calling it Genocide is insane. Israel is planning to invade Gaza and its not common place for nations to tell when they will invade but they are doing so

OSR you are either incorrigibly dim or a willing mark. This is obviously not going to be a normal invasion. Israel is going to raze Gaza to the ground; this is nothing more than a fig leaf.

Israel will have to invade, occupy and then basically denazify Gaza

Israelis steal their land and you call the “Nazis”.

How ironic.

Hamas, like the Nazis, explicitly seeks to exterminate every last Jew. It's right there in their charter! They are shockingly open about this.

Does anyone remember when the Israelis steal German land?

Oh wait!

Israel did not steal land; the Israelis immigrated, formed a government, decolonized, and then became a majority (basically in that order). Israel exists because of immigration policy, not conquest (except arguably in the Golan Heights).

Saying "all immigrants are settlers, kill them" is normally something I associate with the far-right, for some reason except when it comes to the Mandate of Palestine. No, we should not all live in hermit kingdoms, and forming new societies is good. Settlement (organized immigration from relatively wealthy to relatively poor countries to start new societies), so long as it is not accompanied by conquest, is basically good. Unfortunately the problem here is that the Palestinians did not get buy-in, because the immigration policy was set by the British Mandate rather than by a democratic Palestinian government, but that does not negate it or give Palestinian liberationists a reason to ethnically cleanse the area, much as the ethnically-Albanian majority in Kosovo only exists because of Ottoman rule but that is not a valid reason for Serbia to ethnically cleanse the area.

I was talking about occupied Palestinian territory.

There is no general right to independence for areas which are not colonies, so there is no right to Palestinian independence. Both the West Bank and Gaza were part of the Mandate, so under international law they belong to Israel. Israel has never annexed them pending a final settlement, after which there can be mass international recognition of Palestine (as with South Sudan breaking off of Sudan, for another post-colonial conflict where the borders did not make sense which ended in a divorce), but in the meantime Israel is occupying its own unincorporated territory, and so it sets the immigration law for those areas.

(This is pretty absurd, and what would happen in normal places is that the Palestinians would have Israeli citizenship, but this didn't happen on account of the Jordanian/Egyptian occupations and the fact that it would later have been seen as very provocative -- and that most Israelis do not want to be in the same country as the Palestinians, much as the Palestinians do not want to be in the same country as the Israelis. Nevertheless the West Bank and Gaza settlements are legal -- this is a minority interpretation of the law but it is what a naïve application of it tends to imply -- and the most serious crime the Israeli state has actually committed was the ethnic cleansing of Israelis from the Gaza Strip in 2004.)

The United Nations said otherwise.

I know. It is a mark against the United Nations.

Clearly, you know better the United Nations.

Yes. But that doesn't make me special; so do many.

Naturally since they all went to Bibi school of genocide laws.

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Addressing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza requires more decisive action, in order to restrain the Israeli government to take revenge on the Gaza population. It is monstrous to tell one million of Gazans to flee, in what looks like the prelude to a massive ethnic cleansing. The statements of president Herzog are equally monstrous.  Herzog claims that there are no innocent civilians and that all the population of Gaza bears a collective guilt for Hamas atrocious actions, which sounds like an incitement to the most savage and unrestrained revenge and must be interpreted as such. During the following hours a terrific and unrestrained horror could unleash in the martiryzed Gaza. The impending massacre could be also a turning point for the Western World aligned to Israel, because nothing will be the same for us if we do nothing to prevent the most unspeakable horrors. This is a serious historical moment

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1712915377137521094?t=kwTG5nzqblpwU82EZHnG7g&...

Biden needs to be careful otherwise being complicit in Israel's genocide could be his legacy.

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https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1712676313901981888https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1712955500411900217

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To all the posters that are being critical of Israel. What would you have done if you were Israel After the Hamas abducted/raped/decapitated a ton of israeli children ?


Death toll is terrible in Gaza but I genuinely don't see how Hamas shouldn't be entirely blamed for that.

Well, that is hard to say without knowing my motivation.

Am I a Labor PM looking to co-exist with the Palestinians or a Likud PM looking to steal Palestinian land?

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cutting off aid to Israel is not wise for US interests.

Why should the US continue to subsidize a developed country (which also does contrary to our wishes)?

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https://twitter.com/BostonReview/status/1712906344766804411
https://twitter.com/BostonReview/status/1713193172627489152
https://twitter.com/BostonReview/status/1713283573896073545

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https://twitter.com/alexbkane/status/1713160692973351003

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https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1712920392375898319
https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1712981796449644845
https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1712885160935297169

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https://twitter.com/Mondoweiss/status/1712777366554951749
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388

Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

You don't know what an ad hominem is.

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As a patriotic American, what I am afraid of most is that we lose our credibility as we become complicit in Israel's genocide.

Think of how to rest of the world is going to see us.

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

You don't know what an ad hominem is.

And you don't know your arse from your elbow.

*That's* an ad hominem. Pointing out that Attiah cheered on the pogrom as it happened is not.

...as opposed to pointing out which part of the text that you disagree with

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cutting off aid to Israel is not wise for US interests.

Why should the US continue to subsidize a developed country (which also does contrary to our wishes)?

So that we have a much greater say in the relationship we share with Israel and stronger ability to o fluency their policy. The money is a great negotiating tool that we can use to guide Israel in doing the proper actions on the global stage.
We also do mutually benefit from the stuff we invest to an extent so it’s not entirely a give relationship. However all of the above should not stop us from kowtowing to Bibi like some posters on here seem to want.

Israel is doing whatever it wants right now.

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As a patriotic American, what I am afraid of most is that we lose our credibility as we become complicit in Israel's genocide.

Think of how to rest of the world is going to see us.

Basically everyone who is backing Ukraine is also backing Israel except India who is "neutral" in that conflict is also backing Israel so you are wrong lol.

I am not just concerned about the near term, but also the long term.

Right now, Israel's genocide is being hidden by the fog of war.

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If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

They will do just that.

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If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

The US didn't indiscriminately bombed civilians.

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To all the posters that are being critical of Israel. What would you have done if you were Israel After the Hamas abducted/raped/decapitated a ton of israeli children ?


Death toll is terrible in Gaza but I genuinely don't see how Hamas shouldn't be entirely blamed for that.

I would not go in and genocide a group of people because of terrorists. Responding to Hamas by becoming Hamas isn't the answer.

You didn't reply to my question lol.


It's quite telling no one ever in this thread responded to me with a concrete plan about what they would be doing if they were Israel After that Hamas would have raped abducted Israeli women and beheaded babies.

Israel should securea slice of Gaza at a time (without indiscriminate attacks/bombing) then allow residents to return.

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What's the point in seeking revenge on innocent people? I've seen inflammatory videos with calls to "erase" the "animals". Meanwhile settlers and the IDF have killed more than 50 Palestinians in the West Bank during the last week, according to B'Tselem. The worst is yet to come

https://twitter.com/danielmkovalik/status/1712973864290947371?t=vn2RDxcGxCOq6mxA...

Israel long wanted to get rid of the Palestinians.

This week’s event just provide Israel with the excuse to do so.