Get real. Not even McCain got as low as 41 in the massive 2008 wave.
Dole got 39%
That was with a strong third party taking votes from him. There will be no strong left wing third party dragging down our nominee to 41% in Wisconsin in 2020.
No, but John Kasich will.
Kasich is not running a third party bid, and he would take virtually nothing from Dems because Kasich is a right winger. Dems will be united to take down Trump anyway.
He will and virtually 0 Trump voters will go to him. The left leaning independents that will get put off by whoever the communist or just bad nominee is will go heavy for Kasich.
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>Further engaging in thoughtful conversation
>At least being open to some discussion
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You're not discussing; you're arguing using flawed comparisons as some sort of evidence (Dole) and asserting distant hypotheticals as facts (Kasich third party run taking votes from Democrats), all the while you call some unnamed Democrat presidential candidate a "communist."
It's a waste of time to even try to engage with you seriously and far from anything that could be described as either "thoughtful" or a "conversation."