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Question: With which organization do you more strongly associate yourself?
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Progressive Democrats of America
 
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Democratic Leadership Council
 
#3
Blue Dog Coalition
 
#4
Not a Democrat
 
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Frodo
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« on: January 14, 2006, 08:59:26 PM »

Progressive Democrats of America

The Progressive Democrats of America is a progressive organization that formed out of the members of Dennis Kucinich's Presidential Campaign as well as Democracy for America, an organization that itself grew out of the Howard Dean Presidential Campaign.

The mission of the Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) is to strengthen the voice of progressive ideas within the Democratic Party. This is to be achieved by using the "inside/outside" model of working both in the Democratic Party as well as working with other progressive organizations. Celebrating the first anniversary of the movement, the PDA has grown and is developing a grassroots organization to improve the Democratic Party.

Democratic Leadership Council

The Democratic Leadership Council is an influential non-profit corporation that argues that the United States Democratic Party should shift away from the its traditionally progressive positions. Conservative and Moderate Democratic party leaders founded the DLC in response to the landslide victory of Republican candidate Ronald Reagan over Democratic candidate Walter Mondale during the 1984 Presidential election. The founders believed the United States Democratic Party needed to shift to the center to remain viable during the Reagan era. The DLC hails President Clinton as proof of the viability of third way politicians and a DLC success story. Critics contend that the DLC is effectively a powerful, corporate-financed mouthpiece within the Democratic party that acts to keep Democratic Party candidates and platforms sympathetic to corporate interests and the interests of the wealthy.

The DLC's affiliated think tank is the Progressive Policy Institute. Democrats who adhere to the DLC's philosophy often call themselves New Democrats.

Blue Dog Coalition

The Blue Dog Coalition is a group of moderate to conservative Democrats in the United States House of Representatives. The group is currently made up of 35 Democrats, mostly from the U.S. Southern states.

Often, the group will be instrumental in striking a balance between liberal and conservative ideas. Despite Blue Dogs' differing degrees of economic and social conservatism, they share a strong orientation toward fiscal responsibility, and as a rule work to promote positions within the House of Representatives which bridge the gap between the two extremes. Blue Dogs are an important swing vote on spending bills and, as a result, have gained an influence in Congress out of proportion to their small numbers. They are frequently sought after to broker compromises between the Democratic and Republican leadership.

Blue Dog Democrats tend to differ ideologically from another coalition of moderate Democrats, the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). The DLC describes itself as new Democrat and positions itself as centrist while taking liberal positions on social issues and conservative positions on economic issues and trade. Democrats who identify with the Blue Dogs, on the other hand, tend to be social conservatives, but have differing positions on economic issues ranging from fiscal conservatism to economic populism. For example, most Blue Dogs are strong supporters of gun rights and get high ratings from the National Rifle Association, many have pro-life voting records, and some get high ratings from immigration reduction groups, which cannot be said for most members of the DLC. On economic issues, Blue Dogs span the spectrum from fiscal conservatives to supporters of labor unions, protectionism, and other populist measures, while the DLC tends to favor free trade.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2006, 08:09:05 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2006, 08:11:14 PM by Frodo »

Progessive for social issues, DLC for economic

Then you're basically a DLC Dem -they are generally moderate-to-liberal on cultural issues, and are center-right on economics.


I think you might seem more at home with the PDA than the Blue Dogs -you strike me as more of a liberal than a populist.   
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 12:55:07 AM »
« Edited: January 16, 2006, 12:57:03 AM by Frodo »

This is exactly what I mean... I don't see the Republicans bicker this much... You guys wanna make us look like a bunch of schmucks who can't agree with ourselves, let alone anyone else, then fine.

(...) We don't sound much like it, we sound like a bunch of putzes when we disagree like that.

United we stand, divided we fall. Remember that.

In a time of war and peril, I place more emphasis on my love and loyalty to my country as an American citizen than to the Democratic Party.  Unlike you liberals, my partisanship stops at the water's edge.  If that means I risk being called a DINO for being insufficiently 'loyal', then so be it. 

And you seem to worry more about the welfare of the Democratic Party than you do about the welfare of your country, especially if we do what you liberals want us to do -pull out of Iraq immediately Saigon-style no matter the consequences, even if it results in Iraq turning into a failed state, and a haven for terrorists, and a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda and radical Islam throughout the globe. 

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And I hope you know that that 'little guy' is more likely than not a populist and a patriot -and I doubt he would have anything in common with upper-middle class Latte Liberals telling him that they know better than he where his best interests lie.

Millions of blue-collar Americans who would agree with the Democratic Party economically will never align with those who disparage their faith and values, and have proven that they can never be entrusted with the security of this nation in a time of war, especially when the going gets tough.

From what I have seen both on and off this forum, I can't say I'd blame them. 



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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 06:54:12 PM »

Probably DLC.

DFA should be on the list.

I'm surprised -I thought you of all people would most identify as a Blue Dog populist. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2006, 07:04:03 PM »

(...) and have proven that they can never be entrusted with the security of this nation in a time of war, especially when the going gets tough.
There is somebody else who's proven exactly that, and benefitted immensely from it last election.

And who may that be?  If you are talking about Hillary Clinton (who voted for the Iraq War Resolution), and her benefitting from John Kerry's loss in the last presidential election, she will be hard-pressed to hold her own from an anti-war challenger like Russ Feingold, and I do not believe she will benefit all that much from having given both her ostensibly progressive base and sought-after centrists cause to distrust her. 
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