11 year old rape victim forced to carry to term thanks to Ohio law.

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It's good to know Fuzzy (and others like him) are absolutely fine forcing children to give birth to children, even if they die in the process.

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Enough. This thread is just reinforced to me that old Atlas conservatives, with only a handful of exceptions, are by and large among the most brainless and heartless individuals even the internet can produce. Just pathetic.

Get a red avatar at the least if you think that us asking for a child not to be murdered is heartless.

People like Badger, who think themselves to be "good people" (and he probably is at an Earthly level) have blinders to the Eternal aspects of situations such as these.  Such a situation makes no sense; a loving God allowing an event such as this to happen.  They are not capable of imagining a plan for both of these lives where each could be blessed beyond human comprehension.

I would not wish such a plight for any of my granddaughters, and I would be taking many thoughts captive if such a thing happened.  But I don't believe that any life is a mistake, and I believe that the Ways of God are, indeed, far above our own ways.  This sounds awful to some, but the alternative here is what others are suggesting, which is "Kill the innocent unborn human and let everyone else forget about it."  That's not more realistic than what I speak of, but I don't expect most people to see this through their Spiritual Blinders (and, yes, many here are blinded to Spiritual realities).  That may sound snotty and condescending, but it is the only way to explain the chasm here.  The carnal cannot see through Spiritual eyes given them by the Holy Spirit.  This is reality also; as real as the sky being blue on a sunny day.

Is that what you would tell the grieving mother of this girl if (and when) she dies in childbirth, along with her unborn child?  And all because nut cases like you refuse to include an exception for rape and incest?   

That's cold comfort, indeed.  

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Can we please ban anybody who actually believes the Government should force a child to have a child because she was raped by a pedophile. How is this even a credible opinion to hold in the year 2019?

It's a credible opinion because the circumstances of a woman's pregnancy does not affect the humanity of the unborn child.  That unborn child who is the product of this twisted rape is no less human than you or I were at that point in human development.

This 11 year old child either knows that reality right now, or will figure it out as she grows older.  It will hit her one day, and the effect it will have on her on that day is dependent, at least in part, on the decisions she makes regarding life and death for that unborn child.

If people are honest, they can't argue with what I just said.  

That may not be necessary, having died during childbirth.

That would be highly unlikely today in America.

How ignorant are you?

You also might want to look at this:

U.S. Has The Worst Rate Of Maternal Deaths In The Developed World

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Can we please ban anybody who actually believes the Government should force a child to have a child because she was raped by a pedophile. How is this even a credible opinion to hold in the year 2019?

It's a credible opinion because the circumstances of a woman's pregnancy does not affect the humanity of the unborn child.  That unborn child who is the product of this twisted rape is no less human than you or I were at that point in human development.

This 11 year old child either knows that reality right now, or will figure it out as she grows older.  It will hit her one day, and the effect it will have on her on that day is dependent, at least in part, on the decisions she makes regarding life and death for that unborn child.

If people are honest, they can't argue with what I just said.  

That may not be necessary, having died during childbirth.

That would be highly unlikely today in America.

How ignorant are you?

You also might want to look at this:

U.S. Has The Worst Rate Of Maternal Deaths In The Developed World

None of this justifies the killing of an unborn life.

The only POSSIBLE exception I would make on the abortion question is if continuing the pregnancy would, truly, kill the mother, and that the abortion was an act of immediate self-defense.  I define this extremely narrowly; such an act would have to truly be something that would prevent a mother from dying in the next half-hour or something like this.  Even here, I am reluctant to give an inch, as the pro-infanticide faction will then take a mile.

That is for the mother and her doctor to decide, not you.  They would know better than you.  

Mind your own goddamn business, old man.  

As far as ignorance goes, your credentials along those lines are presented every time you log on and post.

You really need to stop projecting.  You already had to back down just now when I presented you with evidence contrary to your statement that mothers-to-be in the United States don't have to worry about dying in child-birth.

And in response to yet another one of your idiotic statements, this time that banning abortions would prevent abortions:

The Bad Old Days: Abortion in America Before Roe v. Wade

For an old man, I thought you'd know about all this first hand.  Or is this another case of you having selective memory loss?  

   

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I suggest you put as much value on the life of the mother (especially if she herself is a child) as highly as you do the unborn.  It doesn't seem to me like you do.  In fact, you don't seem to value a girl's or woman's life all that highly.    

And LOL on your comparison on your fight to drag us back to the pre Roe v Wade era to that against slavery, Jim Crow, and apartheid.  

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For an old man, I thought you would know about all this first-hand.    

Don't be surprised. Older members of the Religious Right have no choice to but to delete all memories about abortion from before the 1980s, lest they remember that their denominations explicitly supported Roe v. Wade when it came out, that Ronald Reagan is responsible for elective abortion being legalized in California (and remember, it was illegal because it wasn't considered safe, not because "life begins at fertilization), or that the biggest proponent of abortion rights in Congress back then was a Catholic priest.

For Fuzzy, it is all about controlling women and what they do with their bodies.  If presented with facts that contradict his ill-conceived notions, he will ignore them.  And accuse you of being ignorant and politically-driven in the process.  

He is perhaps the most intellectually dishonest poster I have ever come across.  It is a shame he is so articulate and intelligent.