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« on: February 22, 2020, 10:04:06 PM »

Pete got 2% of the Black vote.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2020, 10:44:27 PM »

Is it not at least a bit concerning that the frontrunner is losing black voters by double digits?

Black voters are clearly the establishment, so that's not a concern. In seriousness, if black voters are being dismissed moving forward because they didn't vote for Sanders and he gets the nomination, then that would be trouble in November. A Democratic nominee cannot win a general election without decent black turnout in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Exactly. Bernie can and almost certainly will win the primary if the current numbers hold among other demos, but AA's-- democrats most loyal voters-- will have been denied their candidate of choice.

And Hispanics, the biggest minority community should be denied their choice when they went for Bernie in a landslide ?

Sanders won the overall non-white vote 2-1.

By your logic of reliable voters, then should older votes also get to vote since many of them will die soon & they are deciding the vote for the next generation.

People above 45 should get half a vote.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 10:49:42 PM »

Is it not at least a bit concerning that the frontrunner is losing black voters by double digits?

Black voters are clearly the establishment, so that's not a concern. In seriousness, if black voters are being dismissed moving forward because they didn't vote for Sanders and he gets the nomination, then that would be trouble in November. A Democratic nominee cannot win a general election without decent black turnout in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Exactly. Bernie can and almost certainly will win the primary if the current numbers hold among other demos, but AA's-- democrats most loyal voters-- will have been denied their candidate of choice.

And Hispanics, the biggest minority community should be denied their choice when they went for Bernie in a landslide ?
I wish it did not have to be an either-or, but if it does, I am going to prioritize black voters for the reasons mentioned above.

The Black community is half of the Hispanic community & this is not a case of either or. If the Hispanic community doesn't vote 2-1 for the Democrats then Dems will lose Colorado Nevada & a host of other states & possibly the EC. They have turned massively towards the Dems & this 2-1 will become a 4-1 soon & they are the biggest growing community.

And Sanders is winning Black young voters by a huge margin. So Should Young Black Voters be denied their choice?]

Should young people be denied their choice? Should only 3-4% of the electorate, older Black voters above 50 get to decide the Dem Nomination & The President. That is just a ridiculous point. If Sanders won 2% of the Black vote like Pete & didn't get the Young black vote this would have been discussed. But this is absolutely crazy.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2020, 10:59:20 PM »

Attacking Latinos is the new cool thing for voting Bernie. I guess it is nice to pitch in 1 Minority community against another.

By this same logic, White Liberals are also the devout Democratic group & they went for Bernie. So should White liberal vote alone get to decide who wins?

Saying to the largest Minority community that their vote doesn't matter because they vote 70% for the Democrats & not 85% like African Americans is vile. This is a racist take & is pitting 1 minority group against the other @ a time when Latinos overwhelmingly went for Bernie.

It is also anti-Democratic & is against the principle of 1 Person, 1 Vote. I guess racism against Latinos is cool now if it is propping up African Americans. Maybe people want 2 minority groups to fight with each other.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2020, 12:35:57 AM »

So far, it seems like fantastic results for Bernie, good/decent for Biden and downright terrible for everyone else.

Klob, Pete and Mike Bloomberg need to drop out and endorse Biden if they want to stop Bernie.

Agreed as a Sanders supporter. But arrogant Mayor Cheat is asking everyone except Sanders & Bloomberg to drop out (as he needs Bloomberg to take Black votes otherwise he will lose big-time 1 on 1 vs Bernie). He just said on air that Warren, Klobuchar & Biden should drop out to allow him to challenge Bernie.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2020, 02:41:25 AM »

While I'm still supporting Pete of course over the next weeks (he's the solid choice against Trump in the GE), I'm getting more and more accustomed to nominee Bernie each day.

Smiley

Maybe he can build a movement that is necessary to defeat Trump in November, even though I still have a lot of doubts (could be a 2004-style Kerry loss, or a 2012-style Romney one).



Bandwagon effect & support for winners. I said time & again if someone wins Iowa, NH & Nevada it will be hard to stop. The media will play the losses & losing candidates will have funds crashing & fundraising is vital for ads in Super Tuesday. There will debate after debate & the losers will have to answer why they shouldn't drop out.

Expect more of this including more elected officials to endorse Bernie if he keeps winning. You will see Chuck Schumer endorse Bernie if it gets down to Bernie & Bloomberg.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2020, 09:40:22 AM »

Biden has to win SC for him & Bloomberg. If Bernie wins SC, he will carry a ton of momentum after this huge Nevada victory & he will get a 4-5% bump (He got a 8-10% bump after Iowa & NH). If his average polling goes to 35-37%, there will be states like California where he will hit 40% & will win 60-70-80% of the delegates. In that case, he may win 55-60% of the delegates or more in Super Tuesday & the nearest candidate will be @ 15+17% odd. That will a majority not a plurality. It will give Bernie a win in most if not all Super Tuesday states giving him a ton of more momentum, media coverage, fundraising & more bandwagon effect & more calls to unify & avoid a contested convention.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2020, 10:27:40 PM »

Current results breakdown, to get a sense of what to expect.

Clark:
Bernie 48.7%
Biden 24.4%
Pete 11.8%
Warren 8.6%
Steyer 4.1%
Klob 2.2%

Washoe:
Bernie 44.3%
Biden 7.8%
Pete 17.3%
Warren 17.2%
Steyer 3.6%
Klob 9.8%

Rurals:
Bernie 35.9%
Biden 8.7%
Pete 25.0%
Warren 8.6%
Steyer 10.9%
Klob 10.8%

I wonder what would have happened if the Culinary Union wouldn't get involved. Biden would not even have hit 10% instead of 15% in the 1st vote & Bernie may well have touched 40%. Maybe all candidates would have been @ less than 15%.
 
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