Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

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I feel like Joe is way more vulnerable on abortion than on the busing stuff which is totally irrelevant today. He's literally on record trashing Roe and calling abortion a tragedy in addition to voting for the Hyde Amendment. That would've been far more salient than some issue that mattered 40 years ago.

This was a play by Harris for black voters.  Biden had made nostalgic comments about segregationist senators that he had worked with on anti-busing legislation -- an issue which affected Harris when she was a child.  Biden is also currently leading with black voters.  In terms of peeling away his support, black voters are a clear place for Harris to go.

Absolutely. It was a planned attack. She never raised her personal issue before & saved it for the debate. Both Harris & Booker will make a clear plan to win the nomination by winning a majority of the African American vote with a resounding victory in South Carolina & maybe a victory in Nevada along with the Southern states.

It will be a fractured & drawn out contest. Gillibrand screwed up royally with her interjections. She had a chance to hit Biden on Roe vs Wade. And she should have. If she wanted to be the female rights candidate, she should have done that.

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Go Uncle Joe. While Joe's record is pretty crap, Big Pharma Booker who defend Bain against Obama is making a total political attack vs Biden & so is Kamala who doesn't have too much of a different position than Biden on busing. Total political opportunism from 2 flip flopped & fake progressives who will do any mud slinging to win & have no decent policies.

I would love to see Biden take down Booker & Harris. Or maybe they should all destroy each other. I can see Gabbard going after Harris & maybe De Blasio goes after Booker or Biden or some random person. The 2nd debate is going to be awesome.

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Go Uncle Joe. While Joe's record is pretty crap, Big Pharma Booker who defend Bain against Obama is making a total political attack vs Biden & so is Kamala who doesn't have too much of a different position than Biden on busing. Total political opportunism from 2 flip flopped & fake progressives who will do any mud slinging to win & have no decent policies.

I would love to see Biden take down Booker & Harris. Or maybe they should all destroy each other. I can see Gabbard going after Harris & maybe De Blasio goes after Booker or Biden or some random person. The 2nd debate is going to be awesome.

So black candidates are opportunistic because they call out a candidate who talks nostalgically about the good old days of working with segregationists or challenge someone’s record of opposing one of the most central issues in the civil rights movement? Even when said black candidates have personal experience with the issue?
Here’s Kamalas sister talking about busing back in 2015. Was she also being opportunistic?
https://mobile.twitter.com/MissBeaE/status/1152274021125382144
Seems facetious to argue that a candidates record on defending civil rights is irrelevant when McDonnell and republicans want to dismantle civil rights for women and minorities.Biden literally said local authorities should have the final call.  And if you are having trouble understanding how problematic this is in relation to race then replace busing with abortion or Gay marriage in red states...
And tbh she threw him a soft ball. That he wasn’t prepared despite the busing debate raging on twitter and in black media and him literally bringing up working with pro segregationist himself, speaks volumes of how entitled he felt going into that debate.

Sidenote:  Kinda ironic that you are accusing Beto of being a flip flop while cheering on a man who flip flopped on the Hyde amendment within the space of a day..

I think Biden is a bad candidate who has problematic positions. However he is not a flip flopper. The Hyde Amendment is like saying Climate change is a hoax in a Dem Primary. It has to be opposed. Not a debate in a Dem Primary.

Point is Booker is attacking him intentionally & personally to take forward his campaign. Booker has failed so he needs to attack Joe to rescue his sinking campaign & to get to the 3rd debate. Why on earth will a candidate keep saying "I will go after Joe in the debate & so on". It is ridiculous. If you disagree, you make it clear. Don't threaten to attack someone. Booker has seen the bump Harris got & he wants to go after Joe. All these decades, Booker loved Uncle Joe. He loved him for the last year. Now, Booker & Harris look @ the Black vote & Biden's soft support & they want to attack him, weaken him & get the black vote. It has little to do with policy.

Harris is even more of a peculiar case. What is her 1 big policy? 1st it was teacher pay, next it was tax credits. Now, she can't even make 1 of those issues as a big debate in the Dem debate. She attacked Biden on busing & then went on to say she didn't support mandated busing. And Harris in 2016 was claiming Joe as a lifetime example of the ideal politician with an incredible record. Harris invited Biden in the CA convention & was invoking Biden's late son Beau Biden's name time & again & acted like Biden was family. And then he went after Biden on busing (when she had the same stand) & then on Obama's deportation. Harris has flopped 2 times of Private Insurance (1st Debate & before than Townhall). She has little moral conviction & is a good debater & will say anything & will attack anyone to get elected.

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“We are ready to expect the unexpected,” a Biden campaign adviser said. The adviser said the campaign is bracing for attacks from Booker on the crime bill, Harris on busing, De Blasio on trade and workers’ rights, Gillibrand on women’s rights, and from former San Antonio Mayor Julián Castro on the Obama administration’s deportations. “Everyone is looking for their t-shirt moment,” the campaign adviser said, a reference to Harris, whose campaign immediately began selling t-shirts with a picture of her as a young girl waiting for a bus after her exchange with Biden at the first debate.

Uncle Joe vs everyone. Will probably give Biden more sympathy votes. Everyone shouldn't go after Biden.

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Republican Talking point !

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Biden heaps praise on GOP in a fundraiser in Massachusetts. Says there are a huge number of great men in GOP who want to do well & he will work with them. He blames Trump for intimidating them & says it is not their fault but Trump who has them on a leash & is causing them to run from all meaningful legislation.

Uncle Joe is beyond repair !

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Joe's Climate plan doesn't ban fracking, doesn't stop new fossil fuel production, doesn't transition away from coal, has poor/mediocre investment in R&D, has no proper plans to modernize the electric grid, doesn't have the same scope & benefits for fossil fuel workers to transition out, doesn't have details & medium term goals like Sanders has. It also doesn't commit to decarbonization like Sanders does. I don't think with Biden's plan, you get to 100% clean energy in power & transportation sector, the 2 biggest contributors to emissions.

It is a mediocre moderate plan & would achieve nothing. Yea, it is better than Trump's climate change denial. But still an insufficient & really poor plan.

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Iowa will be absolutely crucial & may determine the winner of NH winner, which may shape the Dem Nomination.

So Joe is right to heavily invest in Iowa, as all candidates should !

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This guy may actually lose to Trump because of his incoherent rambling in the debate stage. Biden vs Trump will be a crazy debate.

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Yes. Fundraising is going to be a huge problem. He is spending more than he is raising & he is largely dependent on large donors who gave him money as he was leading. Now he is on the decline & those funds are decreasing. He doesn't have the money to expand operations & if he does he may run out of money.

Will he raise enough money to have some presence in organizing & in TV ads in Big Super Tuesday states like California & Texas ?

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Biden's campaign has confirmed that are looking to form a SuperPac soon which will raise unlimited money from Wall Street Big Pharma etc inorder to buy the Democratic primary.

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Biden's SuperPAC Unite the Country is live now.

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Yes. But if he loses both of Iowa & NH & to the same person then he will 100% lose. I dont know why are people being so dumb. There will be 1 debate after Iowa where all Biden will be asked about will be his failure among young voters, lack of inspiration, how he is collapsing  & so on.

Then there will be another debate after NH & it will be about his gaffes, poor fundraising/grassroots support & so on. He will be hammered. The whole myth of his electability will be shattered. And then he goes to Nevada with that momentum. He is already losing or tied or marginally ahead & with that kind of result he loses Nevada too.

So before the SC debate, he does 0-3, crashes in fundraising. The media blasts him. You will have every single pundit digging some story about the failure of Joe. You will leaks & people giving scoops from the campaign.

You can't go 0-3 to South Carolina. No1 has gone to SC 0-3 & has won the nomination. In 2016 Clinton won Iowa & Nevada. In 2008 Obama won Iowa without which he would have lost.

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Trump will badly damage Biden in the debates though.

1994 Crime Bill - Written by Biden, 1st Step act passed by Trump
Iraq War - Biden was the chief architect while Trump claims to oppose the war
NAFTA - Biden's support will damage him badly in the Mid-Western states.

Along with Biden's gaffes, he is the weakest candidate to go against Trump on a debate stage.

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Biden has held remarkably strong despite being a terrible candidate. You have to give credit where it is true. Everyone is talking about a Biden collapse which has not happened.

The only problem he has is that he is polling 4th in both Iowa & NH currently in RCP which will definitely damage his chances in Nevada & South Carolina & will pull down his numbers. Other than that his national numbers have been remarkably resilient.

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Very Similar to the Clinton ads of 2016 which were even better. Frankly some of them were amazing Negative ads vs Trump.

However, in the end the vitriol vs Trump added nothing & Clinton ran the most policy free ads in decades & lost big. I guess Biden is a poor man's Clinton !

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Trump vs Biden debates will be real classy. Both will take shots insulting each other. Maybe Biden will challenge Trump to a fist fight.

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I would have handled the (ridiculous) points differently, but Biden's response and this recent campaign ad give me some needed reassurance he may be up to running a GE campaign. We need someone who can fight and not just cite, as important as they are, detailled plans. This is the old Joe Biden we know, who wanted take Trump behind the gym and beat the hell out of him for sexism. It's not how I would handle it, but if this makes Biden feel comfortable, it's to his credit because it let's him appear more authentic.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a small polling bump for him the next few days.

Challenging a voter to a push up contest is going to get Biden a bump in the polls & will make him a stronger GE Candidate ! I guess challenging Trump on the level of stupidity of responses will give people a bump in the polls !