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Question: For whom would you vote in this three-way primary?
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NJ Sen. Cory Booker
 
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CA Sen. Kamala Harris
 
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MA Sen. Elizabeth Warren
 
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RaphaelDLG
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« on: January 09, 2017, 12:15:06 AM »
« edited: January 09, 2017, 12:16:38 AM by RaphaelDLG »

Warren, easily.  Warren is my favorite person in politics, both personally and ideologically.

Booker is problematic politically if preferable to Trump, and Kamala Harris is untested and possibly opportunistic.

I also think this meme that she suffers from the same electability problems as Hillary is massively overblown.  She's no Sanders in terms of her ability to win over hearts and minds, but vis a vis Hilldog, she doesn't have the corruption problem, is a much better speaker, and despite being a little professorial has a decidedly working class edge and has tested surprisingly well in focus groups.

I don't think she's obviously the most or least electable of the three listed - I think you can make persuasive arguments for all three and its currently unclear.

Her main problem is that she'll be a little old by then.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2017, 02:32:36 PM »

I'd MUCH rather take a Democrat who disagrees with me on a lot of other liberal issues (e.g., a Southern Democrat like SG) over one who mostly agrees with me but is compromised on class issues (whether because of campaign donations, like Kamala Harris, or sincere ideology, like Booker).
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 06:42:42 PM »

I'd MUCH rather take a Democrat who disagrees with me on a lot of other liberal issues (e.g., a Southern Democrat like SG) over one who mostly agrees with me but is compromised on class issues (whether because of campaign donations, like Kamala Harris, or sincere ideology, like Booker).

Taking campaign donations doesn't mean you sign your life over to doners. What is with you and "class issues".

1) True, you don't have to, but if you do decide to sign your life over to donors, you usually get more campaign donations than the person running against you that doesn't.  And the person with the most money wins 90% of the time.  Read Republic, Lost, Martin Gilens' research, or that book by Zephyr Teachout that I haven't read yet.

2) I understand you were like, 9 years old during the economic crisis of 07-08, so you're forgiven, but for those of us who were around then, the actions of the Democratic party totally betrayed its lack of loyalty to working and middle class folks.

Obama was a way better choice than McCain and Romney, of course, but his treasury department's total mismanagement of the foreclosure crisis (that you can't just chalk up to Republican obstruction or blue dog Democrats, by the way) made him the President who presided over the greatest erasure of black and brown wealth in American history, and obviously a ton of white folks' livelihoods, as well.

David Dayen and a million billion others have written great stuff on this.

The Democratic party has played up the whole culture wars, Republicans are ignorant troglodytes argument in a way that's allowed them to partially (lazily/opportunistically) abdicate their role as the defender of middle class America, even if that argument is often true.

I believe that we shouldn't let the Democratic party become soft in its mission to improve opportunity for working class people and prevent lobbyists from writing the laws and controlling who gets punished, like they have for a long time, to disastrous consequence during 08-09 and its aftermath, and regularly do on key issues.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 01:58:55 PM »

1) True, you don't have to, but if you do decide to sign your life over to donors, you usually get more campaign donations than the person running against you that doesn't.  And the person with the most money wins 90% of the time.  Read Republic, Lost, Martin Gilens' research, or that book by Zephyr Teachout that I haven't read yet.

I don't even have the money to buy books. If you can't even find a half-decent source online, you don't have a good argument.

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HOW!?! You can't just say these things.

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In what ways? How? Where are your actual sources?

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You don't even have an argument. You're just making assertions and saying that there are things written that back you up.

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In what concrete ways? I hate to be a broken record but blind assertions are bad arguing.


Hahaha this is an internet forum, not an academic journal or a courtroom.  Since you insist on internet sources, here are a few to get you started...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiR_rHf4rrRAhUIWSYKHShrBOsQFggyMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Flessig.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F78108721979%2Frepublic-lost-is-now-ccfree&usg=AFQjCNFVdowSGsAMWWbeUtdEdze8-ETv7w&sig2=ZbU-EvKEfl1hRSCavujYuw

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/obamas-failure-to-mitigate-americas-foreclosure-crisis/510485/
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