January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

So what's the conservative story now?  What's the excuse?  I don't even know what the alternative narrative is supposed to be at this point.

"This was just a peaceful, legitimate protest" has to be done now, right?

"Trump didn't know this was going to happen" and "Trump didn't want this to happen" both done.

"Trump didn't know what was going on" or "Trump condemned the riots so he doesn't bear responsibility" also pretty clearly over now.

‘F**k you that’s why’ is evergreen

The PopCopy presidency

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Here's one that will be at least as good as Powell:

https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1563544824870887426

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in that grand jury room.

Well, as we all know, if you're in Georgia and the Devil is after you, all you need to do is win a fiddling duel. Really simple, honestly.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Rs are surging again, why, because Trump hasn't been indicted if the Ds lose you can Blame one person Merrick Garland whom was denied his judgeship like Marbury but we got Judicial Review and nulified slavery out of it, Marbury v Madison, that was easy, now we have an Unsecured border it's not over til voting begins but the Rs are beginning to surge again

I said D's were gonna pay a political price if Trump didn't get indicted if D's lose the Congress Trump can be Prez again in 24

The insurrection brought voter suppression laws and Sinema blocked Voting Rights that's where it all started and Biden said he was experienced to persuade the likes of Sinema to be flexible thru his 40 yrs in Senate he failed

Ah f*** I missed the patch notes on the new olawakandi update.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1581081159475560448

I'm sorry, what the hell did I just read?!? The SS was giving security updates to the Oathkeepers?!?!?

Well when you put it that way it sounds less surprising.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1681297525897134081

LET'S F***IN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

The Independent is reporting that the indictment could come as early as Thursday: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-capitol-hill-indictment-timing-b2377451.html

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Unfortunate but not surprising no incitement charge. (granted not for sure yet)

Incitement has a very high legal bar to prove, even if it's abundantly clear he did incite the insurrection by the colloquial understanding of the term. I'm okay with them not pursuing that charge and focusing on the things that are easier to prove under the law.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

Donald Trump is disqualified from being on the Presidential Ballot given what he did on January 6th 2021.

Again, not disputing that on paper, but you would need actual state elections officials to refuse to allow him onto the ballot, and then those decisions would inevitably end up going to court and you would need to win the court cases and the inevitable appeals, up to and including a very Republican Supreme Court that Trump appointed three members of. I don't see that as likely as a practical matter.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

DOJ explanation of what the "conspiracy to deprive rights" charges mean: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/federal-civil-rights-statutes#:~:text=Title%2018%2C%20U.S.C.%2C%20Section%20241%20%2D%20Conspiracy%20Against%20Rights

Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 - Conspiracy Against Rights
This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same).

It further makes it unlawful for two or more persons to go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another with the intent to prevent or hinder his/her free exercise or enjoyment of any rights so secured.

Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to ten years, or both; and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years, or for life, or may be sentenced to death.

This kind of sounds like he's being charged with conspiring to intimidate the Congress via the riot, but I'm not quite sure if I'm reading that right.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

If you lock him up, forget 1/6, it'll be 1776.

Try it.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

DOJ explanation of what the "conspiracy to deprive rights" charges mean: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/federal-civil-rights-statutes#:~:text=Title%2018%2C%20U.S.C.%2C%20Section%20241%20%2D%20Conspiracy%20Against%20Rights

Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 - Conspiracy Against Rights
This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same).

It further makes it unlawful for two or more persons to go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another with the intent to prevent or hinder his/her free exercise or enjoyment of any rights so secured.

Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to ten years, or both; and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years, or for life, or may be sentenced to death.

This kind of sounds like he's being charged with conspiring to intimidate the Congress via the riot, but I'm not quite sure if I'm reading that right.

I assumed the rights being deprived would be the voters whose chosen result would not be acknowledged via elector shenanigans/coup or otherwise, but I have not read the full indictment. Is "conspiracy against the United States" (or to defraud the United States) specifically against government officials, or is government policy included?

Perhaps it's having to do with depriving the voters of rights, that might plausibly qualify as conspiring to "oppress" them.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1686497045715050496?s=46

You absolutely love to see it.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1686496273623339009

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1686494514582556672

These parts of the indictment are interesting. Charging Trump for his actions while the insurrection was already underway doesn't run into the same potential 1A issues that would have come with inciting the riot via his rally beforehand.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1686514964805140481

FF statement, makes me proud to support him. I hope the rest of you will consider joining me, regardless of your personal ideology.

I would certainly prefer him over Trump for the Republican primary.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1686494955420692480

He keeps giving these responses that literally no one will like lol.

I've been banging away at this for months: His candidacy only ever made sense in a universe where Trump didn't run. This statement is yet another example of that. This is the statement you give when Trump isn't running and you want to win over the primary voters who would have supported him.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

I am ready to complete my quartet of Washington Post indictment screenshots.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

The grand jury is currently voting.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/RandyTravisFox5/status/1691249915245072384
Judge is there

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1691251402931159040

Sheriff and Deputies have entered the court room...

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1691251424485683200

https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1691251765549604865