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Question: Huh
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On October 31, 2019
 
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Sometime between October 31, 2019 and January 31, 2020
 
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On January 31, 2020
 
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Sometime in 2020, but after January 31
 
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Sometime in 2021
 
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Sometime after 2021
 
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Never
 
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Omega21
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« on: October 23, 2019, 07:07:33 AM »

Voted Option 7. Mark my words, the UK will never leave the EU. In the end, Brexit will be canceled completely.

civil war if that happens.

Not if it happens via another referendum.

But then a new People's vote on the People's vote will be called
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Omega21
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 09:27:13 AM »

Voted Option 7. Mark my words, the UK will never leave the EU. In the end, Brexit will be canceled completely.

civil war if that happens.

Not if it happens via another referendum.

But then a new People's vote on the People's vote will be called

Given that this particular issue splits the UK's electorate down the middle and democracies usually hold elections in regular intervals it actually wouldn't be entirely unjustified to conduct a Brexit referendum every five years. The problem is that the European Union would most certainly like to see a long-term commitment here instead of having to constantly operate on the assumption that the UK could drop out any other decade, making the idea of a Brexit referendum every five years unfeasible in practice. The alternative solution is of course the break-up of the United Kingdom with Northern Ireland reunited with Ireland, an independent Scotland within the EU, and a England/Wales rump state which exists separate from the EU. As we all know, the latter scenario may in fact come to pass one day.


I just want this whole leaving thing to end, and if they in a generation or two show willingness to return with fewer opt-outs than the 1st time, that can always be discussed.

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Omega21
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 01:46:00 PM »

Voted Option 7. Mark my words, the UK will never leave the EU. In the end, Brexit will be canceled completely.

civil war if that happens.

Not if it happens via another referendum.

But then a new People's vote on the People's vote will be called

Given that this particular issue splits the UK's electorate down the middle and democracies usually hold elections in regular intervals it actually wouldn't be entirely unjustified to conduct a Brexit referendum every five years. The problem is that the European Union would most certainly like to see a long-term commitment here instead of having to constantly operate on the assumption that the UK could drop out any other decade, making the idea of a Brexit referendum every five years unfeasible in practice. The alternative solution is of course the break-up of the United Kingdom with Northern Ireland reunited with Ireland, an independent Scotland within the EU, and a England/Wales rump state which exists separate from the EU. As we all know, the latter scenario may in fact come to pass one day.


I just want this whole leaving thing to end, and if they in a generation or two show willingness to return with fewer opt-outs than the 1st time, that can always be discussed.



I'm personally in no rush to see it end, to be honest. The issue doesn't really affect me in my personal life or at least far less than a no-deal Brexit potentially would. Besides, I'm interested in observing political processes and even if I were tired of it I just could stop reading the news articles about it.

Trouble is that it is keeping the EU in a sense of paralysis. With Britain leaving there would finally be the biggest Stumbling Block for any EU reform gone. Also it is dividing the EU on foreign policy, right when a common line vis-a-vis Russia, Turkey, China etc. is so desperately needed.

I would still rather have the UK in however, even with the Opt-outs, there is no real reason other than dogmatism to force the UK into Schengen or the Euro.
The problem is just that a referendum wont solve the Issue, even if remain wins, the divisions will remain and the UK-EU issue will haunt Europe for decades to come.

The obvious, reasonable solution would be to have the UK formally leave the EU but remain in a close association (say, under the Norway or Switzerland model). But of course the Brexiteers have radicalized too much to ever accept that, even though it perfectly fulfills the mandate of the referendum.

And then the EU would have a Norway in which 50%+ of the people are bitching about the relationship and want it cancelled...
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