Nevada set to join NPVIC (UPDATE: vetoed by idiot governor)

[Joe Republic]

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state/nv

The bill now sits on Sisolak’s desk, who is expected to sign it.  Thus bringing the NPVIC’s total to 195 electoral votes.

Still a way to go, though.  Oregon looks likely to be next, with the bill passing the Senate last month and a House committee hearing taking place last week.

[Joe Republic]

Funny how you rarely heard Democrats whining about the electoral college before the 2016 election

I see you were a toddler around and after the 2000 election.

[Joe Republic]

Election 2024: In his reelection bid, Bernie Sanders loses the national popular vote to Louie Gohmert, but edges him out in the electoral college loses 538-0 thanks to the NPVIC.

No question that I support abolishing the Electoral College, but don't you just know something like that would happen? I doubt there is any real way to enact "the Electoral College is abolished, but the first two times Democrats lose the popular vote but would have won the electoral vote, it's temporarily reinstated as retribution for 2000 and 2016."

Considering how rare it is for Republicans to win the popular vote anymore, I doubt this would be an issue.

It’s important to remain consistent on the principle of abolishing the EC, to avoid giving its opponents ammunition that this is some kind of Democratic power grab.  As sh**tty as it would be for any Dem to lose the popular vote, win the EC, but thereby lose the election thanks to the NPVIC, that’s exactly how it was designed to work.  Whoever got more votes than the other candidate won the election.  That’s the whole point.

[Joe Republic]

"No State shall, without the consent of Congress … enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Compact+Clause

It's not really a compact though since states can allocate their electoral votes however they want to. Nothing is actually signed between the states.

If that was the case they would switch to changing their allocation of EV to NPV immediately.  

Before there’s any guarantee that the overall NPV winner will actually win the election?  Yeah, that wouldn’t defeat the whole object at all.

[Joe Republic]

NV: Likely D -> Likely D

Nice to see so many states get on board with this, but until a swing or red state gets on board, this won't matter.

Nevada had the 7th narrowest result in 2016, with only a 2.4% margin for Hillary.  Assuming we join the NPVIC, NV will be its swingiest member.

But you’re right that we are running out of states ready to jump in any time soon.  I can see MI, PA, VA, MN and WI joining in as soon as the Dems retake the legislatures... though that may require a permanent end to gerrymandering first.

[Joe Republic]

"No State shall, without the consent of Congress … enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Compact+Clause

It's not really a compact though since states can allocate their electoral votes however they want to. Nothing is actually signed between the states.

If that was the case they would switch to changing their allocation of EV to NPV immediately.  

Before there’s any guarantee that the overall NPV winner will actually win the election?  Yeah, that wouldn’t defeat the whole object at all.

Then that means you are joining into a compact with another state which is clearly unconstitutional without congress approving it first.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/section_9.16#myth_9.16.5

[Joe Republic]

Election 2024: In his reelection bid, Bernie Sanders loses the national popular vote to Louie Gohmert, but edges him out in the electoral college loses 538-0 thanks to the NPVIC.

No question that I support abolishing the Electoral College, but don't you just know something like that would happen? I doubt there is any real way to enact "the Electoral College is abolished, but the first two times Democrats lose the popular vote but would have won the electoral vote, it's temporarily reinstated as retribution for 2000 and 2016."

Considering how rare it is for Republicans to win the popular vote anymore, I doubt this would be an issue.

These are the kind of stupid assumptions that rarely survive the next election. Same with the "Blue Wall" theory

Democrats have won the popular vote 6 in the past 7 presidential elections. Republicans are increasingly reliant on areas that are steadily declining in population and have alienated areas where population is increasing.

Dude you also repeatedly claimed that it  was mathematically impossible for Trump to win in 2016. Case in point

^^ This is why it's important not to get bogged down in arguments for abolishing the EC on a partisan basis.  The other side will just yell, "See?! You Democrats just want to steal our elections and never see a Republican win again!"

[Joe Republic]

Democrats continue to prove that they only support American institutions to enrich themselves and win elections.

Whatever happened to the moniker that "America was already great"?

You live in a solid blue state.  Your vote for Republican candidates is pretty much always wasted.  Wouldn’t it be nice to actually have it finally count for your candidate, instead of thrown in the trash?

[Joe Republic]

Sad, we should keep the Electoral College, to make sure that smaller states, have a say

The states have a say. They have a say exactly equivalent to their population just like any other state. That is a fake argument.

In fact, it's not even a fake argument, it's a factually incorrect one. It's a little too another post, because only small states that have any say in an election are New Hampshire Nevada, and Iowa. Every other small state in the country votes there don't count.

~[nonsensical rambling]~

You’re *Your argument about only a few small states having say in an election is illogical.  If Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada are the only states that have say in an election, why completely take the voice away from other small states that wish to preserve their governing authority through the electoral college.  Why take away their small amount of power? 

Great point!  The presidential primaries system obviously needs a complete overhaul as well.  It makes absolutely no sense for the same handful of small states to effectively decide the party nominees each time.

But that has nothing to do with the electoral college, and as such, is a separate problem to fix.

[Joe Republic]

The Founders also believed that black people were property.

[Joe Republic]

Why do so many idiots truly not grasp how this very simple system works?

It's like trying to play tic tac toe with somebody that insists we play according to the combined rules of chess, checkers and Yahtzee, and when you explain the rules of tic tac toe to them their brain melts.

[Joe Republic]

And that’s why I voted for Chris G in the primary, instead of this dipshit.

Oh well, perfect timing for me to GTFO this moronic state next month.

[Joe Republic]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-vetoes-bill-that-would-pledge-nevadas-support-to-winner-of-national-popular-vote-reject-electoral-college

Sisolak vetoed the legislation.

Hahaha, excellent.

You seem happy (and smug) for somebody whose vote in Minnesota has never counted for the Republican presidential candidate.  How worthless it must feel!

[Joe Republic]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-vetoes-bill-that-would-pledge-nevadas-support-to-winner-of-national-popular-vote-reject-electoral-college

Sisolak vetoed the legislation.

Hahaha, excellent.

You seem happy (and smug) for somebody whose vote in Minnesota has never counted for the Republican presidential candidate.  How worthless it must feel!

Jokes on you, I haven't always lived here.

Ah, so you chose to move to a state where your vote for the Republican presidential ticket has been consistently thrown in the trash every four years.

And when we had caucuses that mattered, it was a lot easier to be more effective in getting a good candidate that could compete.

And yet most of the choices of candidate had already dropped out long before ever getting as far as Minnesota.  You have the couple thousand people in completely different states to thank for that.  Funny how undemocratic processes such as caucuses tend to fail so easily!

[Joe Republic]

It will happen eventually, trust that. Regardless, if Trump loses the popular vote AND the electoral vote under the current system I'm curious to see how Republicans will try and force him back into the White House against public will. With conservatives controlling the Supreme Court I fully expect Republicans to try and have them void the election result based on some obscure interpretation of the constitution. But I don't think even the conservatives on the court are that crazy.

Mitch McConnell:  "The United States Senate will not validate the electoral votes cast for the Democratic ticket, as they were not submitted using the cover sheet that we faxed out to every state legislature well over six hours ago, and as you know, the deadline passed over five hours ago.  The Democrats have only themselves to blame."

[Joe Republic]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

Reading about what legislation actually does is wasting time, but making a fool of yourself on Atlas is not?

If Mitt Romney and Donald Trump had won the popular vote, but Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That’s correct, we wouldn’t be having this conversation because every red state from Texas to Wyoming would have signed onto the NPVIC by the spring of 2013.

Now, eight pages in, will we ever see any good faith arguments against this that also demonstrate at least a basic grasp of how this extremely simple system works?

[Joe Republic]

That quote right there nails the argument for the current EC: State's voters vs national voters.

IT'S AN ELECTION FOR A NATIONAL OFFICE

Elector is no more of a national office than Senator or Representative. The President doesn't get elected until December.

Ah yes, how could I have forgotten that on November 8th 2016, I proudly cast my presidential ballot for Dayananda Prabhu Rachakonda, Larry Jackson, Joetta Brown, Paul James Catha II, Greg Gardella and Teresa Benitez-Thompson.


  Just because your point is technically correct doesn't make it useful or relevant to the discussion at hand.

[Joe Republic]

What are the odds of an override?

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Ouch. Vermont, RI, California, and Hawaii had vetoes, but they were from Republican governors. Hawaii overrode the veto, while the other 3 passed it later under Democratic/Chafee governors.

It's a setback, for sure, and as it's unlikely he'll be successfully primaried in 2022 (unless he really forks everything up and gets himself Gibbons'd), then the earliest we'll see another attempt at this is in 2027.

Oh well... patience is a virtue, right? 

[Joe Republic]

What are the odds of an override?

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Ouch. Vermont, RI, California, and Hawaii had vetoes, but they were from Republican governors. Hawaii overrode the veto, while the other 3 passed it later under Democratic/Chafee governors.

It's a setback, for sure, and as it's unlikely he'll be successfully primaried in 2022 (unless he really forks everything up and gets himself Gibbons'd), then the earliest we'll see another attempt at this is in 2027.

Oh well... patience is a virtue, right? 

Joe. Why I think this is a horribly stupid idea obviously, and I would guess the vast majority of Nevada Democrats do as well, do you really see this as something potentially starting to pick up steam for a primary against sisolak?

Oh, absolutely not.  Nobody actually cares about this except us political nerds.  The only way Sisolak loses a primary is if he reeeeally messes everything else up and becomes a total embarrassment, a la Jim Gibbons.