Protestors Topple Confederate Monument in North Carolina

[Kingpoleon]

Accuse me of moderate heroism all you want, but taking down statues of John Brown is perfectly reasonable in the context of venerating anti-state violence.

That does not mean we shouldn't also take down Confederate monuments, especially since so many of them were erected 60-100 years after the war and have nothing to do with "honoring the fallen"

You really want to erase the monuments of our history? This isn't about Southern heritage - this is about American history.

I have an avid interest in history. Let us leave up these monuments, not as symbols of the past in support thereof, but that we might not forget our history. Do not erase our history, good or bad. We must remember both if we wish to continue the greatness of America and put an end to the crimes of America. Our history is not one of sheer right and good, but rather a complicated one. As complicated as it might be, our history shows that the forces of evil will not long hold off the forces of good in America.  We should not, however, erase the signs of past evils.

[Kingpoleon]

Accuse me of moderate heroism all you want, but taking down statues of John Brown is perfectly reasonable in the context of venerating anti-state violence.

That does not mean we shouldn't also take down Confederate monuments, especially since so many of them were erected 60-100 years after the war and have nothing to do with "honoring the fallen"

You really want to erase the monuments of our history? This isn't about Southern heritage - this is about American history.

I have an avid interest in history. Let us leave up these monuments, not as symbols of the past in support thereof, but that we might not forget our history. Do not erase our history, good or bad. We must remember both if we wish to continue the greatness of America and put an end to the crimes of America. Our history is not one of sheer right and good, but rather a complicated one. As complicated as it might be, our history shows that the forces of evil will not long hold off the forces of good in America.  We should not, however, erase the signs of past evils.

I see your point, but a public statue of an individual is a way of celebrating them.  Would you be OK with moving them to museums?

Absolutely. To quote Donald Trump, Barack Obama, and Indiana Jones: "It belongs in a museum."

[Kingpoleon]

I'm sure that everyone who supports these statues due to "history" would be ok if Islamic groups or others erected statues to the 9/11 (or other terrorists), right? If you don't support it you're "trying to forget history"?

That's a moderate hero compromise I could get behind.

We can't do that for 9/11. If I remember correctly, the terrorists were attacking New York City because of the rampant crime there. Almost immediately, crime levels dropped. The Confederates rebellion against high crime rates actually ended up causing more crimes, both during and after the Anti-Criminal Rebellion(a. k. a. The Civil War).

[Kingpoleon]

No one is in a better position to identify things that are worse for black people than segregation than a white conservative.

Hey, they also like to change speeches to say that "the white liberal" was the one standing in the way of equality when it actually was "the white moderate".

Right, because the liberals were so much more eager to support abolition - oh wait, no they weren't. Blacks in the North were still treated horribly and deplorably prior to the Civil War.