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mvd10
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« on: June 09, 2017, 12:05:26 AM »
« edited: June 09, 2017, 12:17:34 AM by mvd10 »

Philip Hammond maybe? I imagine the free market Tories will be pissed off with May. They probably accepted her leftish rhetoric on economic issues when she still was winning but it might be a different story now she lost the majority. And Hammond looks like a classic Thatcherite to me.
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 06:53:40 AM »

Philip Hammond maybe? I imagine the free market Tories will be pissed off with May. They probably accepted her leftish rhetoric on economic issues when she still was winning but it might be a different story now she lost the majority. And Hammond looks like a classic Thatcherite to me.

Why would an upset loss-of-majority to Jeremy Corbyn induce the Tories to move right on political economy?

Because May tried to move to the left on economic issues and it didn't really work out. The Tory Right might have accepted stuff like the energy price cap when May still was projected to win a 100 seat majority but I'm not sure whether they'll accept May's relatively left-wing positions on some economic issues now.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2017, 10:12:34 AM »
« Edited: June 09, 2017, 10:22:15 AM by mvd10 »

Philip Hammond maybe? I imagine the free market Tories will be pissed off with May. They probably accepted her leftish rhetoric on economic issues when she still was winning but it might be a different story now she lost the majority. And Hammond looks like a classic Thatcherite to me.

Why would an upset loss-of-majority to Jeremy Corbyn induce the Tories to move right on political economy?

Because May tried to move to the left on economic issues and it didn't really work out. The Tory Right might have accepted stuff like the energy price cap when May still was projected to win a 100 seat majority but I'm not sure whether they'll accept May's relatively left-wing positions on some economic issues now.

The right wing party loses to Jeremy Corbyn...Ruth Davidson, a moderate, saved their majority, and their response should be....Move to the Right!

What could possibly go wrong?  

I'm not saying they should move to the right btw, I just said that it's pretty likely the next Tory leader (if May is ousted) won't turn to the left on economic issues. And I wouldn't be surprised if people like Davidson and Cameron are to the right of May on economic issues. May is really right-wing on immigration and the EU, but she's pretty left-wing on economic issues (atleast her rhetoric is). This lost her a lot of votes in places like Kensington. The more economically libertarian Tories accepted May's rhetoric on workers' rights and energy prices as long as she kept winning. But it's pretty clear that May's approach didn't work, so why would the Tories even support adding more workers' rights and freezing energy prices if those policies violate their beliefs and didn't win them any more seats?

And moving to the left didn't exactly hurt the Labour party btw, even though I don't think Corbyn ever will be PM.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2017, 04:32:41 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2017, 04:39:26 PM by mvd10 »

I'm not saying they should move to the right btw, I just said that it's pretty likely the next Tory leader (if May is ousted) won't turn to the left on economic issues. And I wouldn't be surprised if people like Davidson and Cameron are to the right of May on economic issues. May is really right-wing on immigration and the EU, but she's pretty left-wing on economic issues (atleast her rhetoric is). This lost her a lot of votes in places like Kensington. The more economically libertarian Tories accepted May's rhetoric on workers' rights and energy prices as long as she kept winning. But it's pretty clear that May's approach didn't work, so why would the Tories even support adding more workers' rights and freezing energy prices if those policies violate their beliefs and didn't win them any more seats?

And moving to the left didn't exactly hurt the Labour party btw, even though I don't think Corbyn ever will be PM.
So according to you, voters in Kensington were so displeased with May's economic turn to the left that they voted for the Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn? Sounds really implausible to me. Victoria Borwick, the incumbent Tory MP in Kensington (69% Remain), being a Brexiteer + the general anti-Tory trend in London have been much more important, I think.

I would also not overstate May's turn to the left. I thought it was real, but the manifesto didn't really show it. This has also been one of the reasons that the Conservatives failed to attract a larger number of former UKIP voters: many went back to Labour instead because of the Tories' right-wing manifesto. I would argue the Tories should have turned to the left economically much more than they did.

I probably should have been clearer but I meant that the combination of her left turn on economics and right turn on immigration and the EU was toxic to people in Kensington. They might as well vote for Labour which (while it's even worse for them on taxes and stuff like that) atleast somewhat aligns with their interests on Brexit.
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