ARG Polling: Presidential Pardons in the Constitutional Convention (user search)
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Question: In the next Constitution, how should pardons be handled?
#1
Unilaterally by the President (as it is now)
 
#2
By the President with advice/consent of the Senate/Congress
 
#3
By the Senate/Congress
 
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Author Topic: ARG Polling: Presidential Pardons in the Constitutional Convention  (Read 398 times)
Leinad
Junior Chimp
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« on: February 03, 2016, 01:13:00 AM »

48-hour poll as part of our new series of ConCon related polls (I wish I had this idea sooner, it's a great way to improve activity in the Convention).

Currently, the President can unilaterally pardon anyone except themselves. How, in general, should pardons be done under the new Constitution?
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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,049
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.03, S: -7.91

« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 07:35:49 PM »

Also: as far as I know, this debate is solely about the Constitutional Convention discussion, and not because I've done anything personally to merit it. Wink

Of course, it has nothing to do with you. It's entirely about the ConCon which should be fairly clear. I think that doing polls based on the Convention is a good way to boost activity (so it falls under my role as Deputy Presiding Officer).

As far as my personal opinion on this issue, I proposed a citizen initiative back before you were president, before I was even governor, to add a Senatorial safeguard on the role. Unfortunately it failed, due to fears that it would ruin the office of the presidency. But those fears are unwarranted: given that it's such a small role of what the president does, and their pardons would only be overturned in the case of a supermajority of the senate--so, only the crazy stuff would be overturned.

We do not have unilateral power right now. We used to have it: the President could pardon anyone (including his or herself). Now, the President can only pardon others.

I know...

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Allowing a single body to both legislate and grant immunity from said legislation to persons of their choosing is the very antithesis of the separation of powers that seems to be the main argument for this change.

Of course, which is why it's a good thing that only 1 in 15 want that, and I myself never supported that position.

I'd ideally like it to be the President's job, but the Senate, or Congress as a whole, can overturn it with 2/3rds majority. Or that number could change--just as long as there's some safeguard.
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