Kasich says Ohio won’t take refugees, mayor says city will if asked ]

[EliteLX]

... No, let's let in refugees three days after one of them is involved in killing over a hundred refugees. If the government thoroughly vets them, maybe Kasich will change his mind. It's idiotic to just say "Yeah, I'm not checking your vetting process. Let's agree to let them in no matter what."

Can you imagine what would happen if he let them in with "as much warning as Bush" and several of them were involved in an attack on Columbus or Cleveland?

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Can we stop acting like thousands of partially unknown Syrians, who's homecountry is in a civil war and is known for violent fundamentalism, immigrating by the thousands to the US homeland isn't a national security threat because Rachel Maddow told you it isn't? I am NOT claiming many Syrian refugees are fleeing corruption and violence, but we are also opening ourselves to huge security gaps. If the state doesn't want to accept the thousands of people, too damn bad.

Paris in itself was nothing but a wake-up call.

[EliteLX]

If the state doesn't want to accept the thousands of people, too damn bad.

Yes, it is too damn bad for the states. Not only is it unconstitutional for them to simply refuse, but also missing out on 1.) saving people, and 2.) saving people who can contribute to America's society and economy, the same way immigrants and refugees have for decades.

Did you completely disregard my entire point?

And when is this "they can contribute to the economy point" going to end. Let's drop the borders in their entirety how about it? Because the entire global population can apparently "make 'murica boom!"

Too bad for him. Governors have no control over that. Suck it, you low energy racist son of a bitch.

Oh, I'm sure our buddy John is the ol' Jim Crow. Curse the man for avoiding the massive security hole with free borders flowing in thousands of mostly undocumented refugees, two of whom just commited one of the deadliest terrorist attacks since September of '01, you halfwit. Is "low energy racist" about the only thing left in that comeback box of yours, and can anything come out of your mouth without hiding behind accusations of prejudice & muh' feelings?

[EliteLX]

If the state doesn't want to accept the thousands of people, too damn bad.

Yes, it is too damn bad for the states. Not only is it unconstitutional for them to simply refuse, but also missing out on 1.) saving people, and 2.) saving people who can contribute to America's society and economy, the same way immigrants and refugees have for decades.

Did you completely disregard my entire point?

And when is this "they can contribute to the economy point" going to end. Let's drop the borders in their entirety how about it? Because the entire global population can apparently "make 'murica boom!"

Too bad for him. Governors have no control over that. Suck it, you low energy racist son of a bitch.

Oh, I'm sure our buddy John is the ol' Jim Crow. Curse the man for avoiding the massive security hole with free borders flowing in thousands of mostly undocumented refugees, two of whom just commited one of the deadliest terrorist attacks since September of '01, you halfwit. Is "low energy racist" about the only thing left in that comeback box of yours, and can anything come out of your mouth without hiding behind accusations of prejudice & muh' feelings?

whoa sorry guy, next time I'll put a TRIGGER WARNING before I call someone a racist lol

Get a trigger warning saved in that clipboard of yours then old friend, you'll be wearing out that Command V in no time.

[EliteLX]

If the state doesn't want to accept the thousands of people, too damn bad.

Yes, it is too damn bad for the states. Not only is it unconstitutional for them to simply refuse, but also missing out on 1.) saving people, and 2.) saving people who can contribute to America's society and economy, the same way immigrants and refugees have for decades.

Did you completely disregard my entire point?

And when is this "they can contribute to the economy point" going to end. Let's drop the borders in their entirety how about it? Because the entire global population can apparently "make 'murica boom!"

What point? That you easily fall prey to the politics of fear?

The economy point will end when immigrants stop contributing, which won't be any time soon. Syrian Americans are an accomplished and established group in this country, and having a pre-existing base helps immigrants integrate more easily. We've already accepted thousands of refugees from Iraq over the past two decades and Syria; there hasn't been any trouble despite the knee-jerk paranoia over Muslims and Arabs. We already vet them, so they're not really "unknown".

But nice strawman about "open borders", which is what literally no one supports. 10,000 more refugees on top of the tens of thousands we already accept is not going to be the end of the world.

I'm not pulling a 9/11 scare everyone invade iraq. This is literally common sense and a completely different scenario.

These refugees are in the midst of an extremely violent and dangerous crisis and there are fundamentalist sympathizers among the thousands of them. We truly do not have well documented sources to find out who is a refugee and who isn't, causing it to be a massive security threat, and even I'm not a major foreign interventionist or gauged hard right on foreign policy by any means. I used a strawman to contrast that letting tens of thousands of undocumented people from a hell hole containing sympathizers looking to exploit an open system is just like an open border and a poor idea.

I'm fine for temporarily housing refugees and family in a crisis, but only in an ordered manner. There needs to be extremely precautionary checks and research on every single one of them. Our feelings being hurt is not a reason to irresponsibly migrate people en masse to the United States. If it's going to be done, it needs to be done responsibly and with national security as the most extreme concern. We need to quit using "ur fear mongering!!1" and our feelings as a source of irresponsible decisions as well as murky & weak foreign policy.

From 2001 to today, the pendeleum has swung from both sides. We need a fine middle ground of not playing Collapse Governments for Democracy Tycoon but not running a foreign policy inspired of a fifteen year old girl's Tumblr posts.

[EliteLX]

Kasich isn't, never has been, and never will be a "moderate" by any stretch of the imagination.  Then again neither are 90% of the sh**tty moderate hero blue avatars on this forum.  

Refugee topic aside:

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they have to change their political views to be moderate on their political views. There are many centrists here who lean both left and right on many issues, and I'm one of them. Moderate doesn't translate to political interests that d32123 shares. So many people lately riding out the "crappy moderates" train on Atlas as if they're there to win over the left's views or the right's. Sorry.

[EliteLX]

Kasich isn't, never has been, and never will be a "moderate" by any stretch of the imagination.  Then again neither are 90% of the sh**tty moderate hero blue avatars on this forum.  

Refugee topic aside:

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they have to change their political views to be moderate on their political views. There are many centrists here who lean both left and right on many issues, and I'm one of them. Moderate doesn't translate to political interests that d32123 shares. So many people lately riding out the "crappy moderates" train on Atlas as if they're there to win over the left's views or the right's. Sorry.

I literally don't even understand what this means.

You know exactly what it means. You and many others around the forum bitch about moderates because they aren't radically left or aligning with your exact views, as if the definition of a moderate isn't "centrist and not partisan on all views."

[EliteLX]

Kasich isn't, never has been, and never will be a "moderate" by any stretch of the imagination.  Then again neither are 90% of the sh**tty moderate hero blue avatars on this forum.  

Refugee topic aside:

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they have to change their political views to be moderate on their political views. There are many centrists here who lean both left and right on many issues, and I'm one of them. Moderate doesn't translate to political interests that d32123 shares. So many people lately riding out the "crappy moderates" train on Atlas as if they're there to win over the left's views or the right's. Sorry.

I literally don't even understand what this means.

You know exactly what it means. You and many others around the forum bitch about moderates because they aren't radically left or aligning with your exact views, as if the definition of a moderate isn't "centrist and not partisan on all views."

I'm glad you recognize your persecution.  Moderate heroes are basically the Jews of Atlas Forum, after all.

You're the special kind of stupid.