New Hampshire Primary Thread (polls close at 6-7 CT)

[Crumpets]

Bernie is going to kill it.

The heart condition has me worried though. High levels of stress can bring on a heart attack, so i am genuinely concerned about the guy as a person before his politics.

This is a very strong reason as to why he shouldn't be president at all, aside from the extreme leftism and all that.

Oh to be a Pete supporter and believe Bernie is an extreme leftist. Bernie will be fine. If he's not, that's the reason we have a Vice President.

As I non-Bernie supporter, this is something I don't understand and perhaps you can explain it to me. Bernie is not an extreme leftist. He's barely even a socialist by most definitions. Nordic-style economics is not a revolutionary ideology. Why then is he seen as so unique within the party and within US politics as a whole among his support base when his record is hardly out of line with more mainstream elements of the party and the revolution he is basing his entire campaign on is just "we support the same ends as every Democratic president in the modern era have supported, we'll just actually get it done"?

And I'm genuinely not asking this to mock him. I'd really like Bernie more and be more likely to vote for him if he had the same policy positions but stopped trying to pretend they're radical; I feel like a big reason for the disenchantment with politics among his base is due to the fact that they see all these policies as a pipe dream unless it's Bernie at the helm, when really, it's a lot more down to Senate seats and the Supreme Court in the long run than it is any one presidential campaign or candidate. I just feel like it lends to the bigger idea that there's nothing you can do to help the country short of literal revolution, when those are exactly the people we need to have an active voice in shaping policy and showing up to vote outside of presidential election campaigns.

[Crumpets]

Sticking with my prediction from 2016:

16,472 for Mr. S. Baldrick.

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Bernie now leading in Lebanon according to DDHQ.

[Slow zoom on Hassan Nasrallah]

Hello darkness my old friend, I've come to talk with you again...

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Nate Cohn sees your "Klobmentum" and has raised you his new term "Klobucharge."

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I get why people are saying Warren should or will drop out, but can we just take a moment to appreciate that Biden is set to finish behind her in both IA and NH?

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So, I like Amy, but my main issue with her is the incredibly niche issue that she was a primary sponsor of FOSTA/SESTA. Do any Amy stans want to dissuade me of this in case Warren drops out and I stray away from Buttigieg as my second choice for whatever reason?

[Crumpets]

I've been wrong about Bernie being able to win the general. America isn't A Center-Right Country or wtfever, but the 2020 incarnation of him just isn't motivating people outside his base. (I still maintain that the 2016 version could have.)

The 2016 version had a feeling of "magic" and populist change that this incarnation doesn't. I'm not sure if it's because the party as a whole has acquiesced somewhat to his policies or lack of freshness, but there hasn't been many moments from him this time that's on par with the "America" ad (For example). It's like he's gone from "Agent of change" to "Elder statesman". We'll see when we get to more Hispanic electorates and his potential surge with them, but it's a shell of the hip-newcomer of 2016 with rarely-discussed ideas.

And I'm saying that as a solid Bernie supporter then and now.

I'm not sure I agree. I think his 2016 support was naturally inflated because of all of the anti-Clinton supporters flocking to him with no other natural option. What he has now is his true base of support, but it looks weak compared to a never-really-existant coalition of rural working class whites, young educated members of the middle class, and assorted other Clinton skeptics.

[Crumpets]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Given that Bernie was meant to wipe the floor 6-0 6-0 6-0, the fact that Pete and Amy got on the board and were competitive is the actual news story worth listening too.

It could be the start of the Pete and Amy show.

Pete appealed to uneducated white women between 40-64 who earnt $120,000-$200,000 per annum.

Amy appealed to highly educated people.

Sanders appeared to the socialists.

Uneducated white women aged 40-64 making six figures?

Assuming uneducated means that they didn't get a college degree, how many of these women do you think there are?

I'm pretty sure this described my mom at one point. She never told me her exact income, but I'd guess it was in that range.

And guess what? She's supporting Buttigieg.

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Funny:

Pete actually was 2nd among non-White primary voters in NH.

2nd to Sanders, I presume? Can Pete now go into SC with the knowledge he has already out-performed Buden among non-whites in a primary?