How do you understand this?

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The first time I saw it I thought it was actually meant to be anti-christian. Until I saw the "answers in genesis" bit.

how could it be anti-Christian?

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Because my mind works in that way which makes the answer an obvious "no".

So, to you, God doesn't matter to Christians?

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Anyway trying to associate Atheists with murderers is an extreme low, even for these Christians.

well, you can't exactly call murderers "God-lovers", now can you?

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well, you can't exactly call murderers "God-lovers", now can you?

You very well could if the murderer is religious.

No...

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

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well, you can't exactly call murderers "God-lovers", now can you?

You very well could if the murderer is religious.

No...

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Sorry, that's not how it works. Scripture doesn't set the goalposts. A good example of hypocritical, yet god loving murderers would be those that kill abortionists.

yet, scripture does set the goalposts

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yet, scripture does set the goalposts

For you and others that share a religious belief sure, but not the rest of us. It's like throwing around batting averages if we're talking about steroids.

My point is, murder and other crimes, don't "unmask" a fraud where religion is concerned. Murder and religious belief aren't such opposites that one renders the other incompatible. Plenty kill in the name of God, and no amount of distancing undoes their religious conviction.

when it comes to Christianity, murder does "unmask" a fraud

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yet, scripture does set the goalposts

For you and others that share a religious belief sure, but not the rest of us. It's like throwing around batting averages if we're talking about steroids.

My point is, murder and other crimes, don't "unmask" a fraud where religion is concerned. Murder and religious belief aren't such opposites that one renders the other incompatible. Plenty kill in the name of God, and no amount of distancing undoes their religious conviction.

when it comes to Christianity, murder does "unmask" a fraud

I see murderers get denounced, but I hardly ever see their personal views get renounced.

personal views on what? football?  basketball?  fine dining?

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personal views on what? football?  basketball?  fine dining?

Obviously religious.

so, what religious views of murderers should be renounced, accept for the obvious one that his killing was justified?  obviously, fault in one area, regardless of the extreme, does not automatically mean that all his religious views are wrong.

so what, exactly, are you complaining about?

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personal views on what? football?  basketball?  fine dining?

Obviously religious.

so, what religious views of murderers should be renounced, accept for the obvious one that his killing was justified?  obviously, fault in one area, regardless of the extreme, does not automatically mean that all his religious views are wrong.

so what, exactly, are you complaining about?

Have you been following this thread, or someone just logs on as you? I'm arguing that murder doesn't exclude "god loving" as you seem to think.

granted I am a bit confused by everyone's different and independent definitions.

...but, since the billboard was done by Christians, then...by the biblical definition of Christianity, murder does exclude loving God.  And since I am Christian, I hold to that biblical definition.

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granted I am a bit confused by everyone's different and independent definitions.

...but, since the billboard was done by Christians, then...by the biblical definition of Christianity, murder does exclude loving God.  And since I am Christian, I hold to that biblical definition.

I think the point is that even if one is a believer and loves God, he/she is still capable of commiting biblically defined sins. For instance, can you say with absolute certainty that you haven't committed any sins, even one, since your "rebirth"? Biblically speaking any sin is an affront to God, so if you have committed a sin since conversion it doesn't necessarily mean you don't love God anymore - you quite obviously do.

In the case of murder, some people with religious views commit it because they believe the God they love would want them to do it to stop something. Take abortion clinic bombers for example. Just because they murder abortionists doesn't mean they don't love God - their actions may simply be a poorly thought out way of thinking they are doing his will, in fact. You can disagree that their actions are proper and moral, but it doesn't change how they feel about God.

Sorry, I do not accept your view of what love for God is.  Again, I will quote.  You decide what to do with it:

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Like JSJ said, you might as well go bang your head against a wall, for I am not going to exchange the truth of God for a lie.

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Which is all fine and good - I didn't expect you to agree, I was just explaining the point others were making since you didn't seem to get it.

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