Pres. Trump says he will "proudly shutdown the government" over border wall

[Nyvin]

Gawd....right in the oval office in front of reporters.   I know it's Trump, but what the hell was he thinking?

[Nyvin]

I'm not sure whether this is helpful to Democrats. The 2013 and 1995 shutdowns backfired on congressional Republicans. Not sure Trump would be blamed alone by those are not opposed to him anyway.

Uhhh...the 1995 and 2013 shutdowns backfired because the Republicans were demanding ransoms to pass a budget bill.   If Trump is demanding a border wall to get a budget passed...I'm pretty sure that's a ransom.

[Nyvin]

I'm not sure whether this is helpful to Democrats. The 2013 and 1995 shutdowns backfired on congressional Republicans. Not sure Trump would be blamed alone by those are not opposed to him anyway.

Uhhh...the 1995 and 2013 shutdowns backfired because the Republicans were demanding ransoms to pass a budget bill.   If Trump is demanding a border wall to get a budget passed...I'm pretty sure that's a ransom.

Democrats should offer him funding for border security in general in exchange for a solution for the Dreamers. Most Americans support both of these measures. If Trump refuses, it will indeed backfire on him and damage his (self created and false) image of the great dealmaker.

They....already did this.

[Nyvin]

Chuck and especially Nancy just made Trump look like a giant fool. I look forward to this repeating itself time and time again over the next 2 years.

My pro-Trump bias aside, I think Trump looked good. In the video he pretty much put Schumer in his place. Corner him into looking heartless. He's pretty much saying something like "Chuck, what's more important, funding bureaucrats or protecting innocent Americans?" Schumer sits there with a goofy smile on his face. Smiling over innocent Americans being hurt by illegal aliens. Not something to be proud of. If I were President I'd say, "You have a smile, I don't know why you're smiling about people who lost a son or daughter to an illegal immigrant. Why are you smiling?"

Make them look feckless. It will play well for white working class people in the Midwest.

Okay, I'm sure you'll support a Democratic President bringing Republican congressional leaders into the oval office and then yelling at them in front of reporters that he/she will support shutting down the government to get Medicare for all or raising the minimum wage.    

Is this going to become the new norm for promoting legislative agendas in the country?  

[Nyvin]

You guys don't understand. Trump is saying "I would rather protect people than pay bureaucrats." That is a winning argument. Chuck Schumer can smile and Nancy can (attempt) to speak a coherent sentence, but I'm telling ya, it might not play well on this forum or in San Francisco or New York City, but there are tens and tens of millions of Americans who are siding with President Trump.

I'm being honest, it's not gonna play as well for you guys as you think. We have a much more tribalistic selfish electorate than we did twenty years ago. Now, I  live in Ohio (which is becoming less and less of a battleground) but the responses I hear even from "moderate" women voters in their 20s and 30s shocks even me.

For example, I have so many conversations with people who are not partisans and their responses even surprise me.

Woman: "Why are people mad at Trump?"
Me: "Trump said we shouldn't take people in from countries that are sh*tholes."
Woman: (long pause) Why should we?

I swear, you guys are on an entirely different wavelength than much of the country. I'm not trolling or trying to be facetious. This is not going to play the way you guys think.

Do they understand a wall will accomplish almost nothing on this end?   Do they understand most Mexicans, legal or otherwise, come to the country on planes?