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Question: Should the US cease all diplomatic relations with Venezuela?
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SATW
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« on: August 06, 2017, 08:12:50 PM »
« edited: August 06, 2017, 08:14:29 PM by SunriseAroundTheWorld »

We should most certainly impose significantly tougher sanctions. We should also continue freezing the U.S. assets of allies of the Maduro Regime.

We should also started kicking out allies of that regime that have found their way to South Florida. There are quite a few of those thugs chilling down there. I am not ready yet to support ending all diplomatic relations, but I do strongly want OAS suspend Venezuela's membership.

We should consider different ways to help countries like Colombia, Brazil and Argentina alleviate the costs of taking in so many Venezuelan refugees.

Mauricio Macri wants to launch a "Marshall Plan" for Argentina, which made me think that supporting a U.S.-Argentina-Colombia backed Marshall Plan for South America would be a good idea as well.

Economic struggles is what led to the election of left-wing disasters like Chavez/Maduro in the first place. Providing a South American Marshall Plan could be very beneficial to regional stability and American interests.

The dangers of not acting are grave. We need to continue our strong approach against this illegitimate regime.
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SATW
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 08:29:07 PM »

My reasoning for not ending relations w/ Venezuela yet:

1. For those running nonprofit efforts aimed at helping the poor and needy. If we end relations w/ Venezuela atm it will be very difficult to help those innocent people and for those nonprofits and individuals who are trying to oppose Maduro through peaceful, charitable means.

2. If we end relations right now, without consulting OAS or Argentina, who has been America's partner on opposing Maduro, it will put them in a very difficult spot. Most of our allies have not yet broken ranks w/ Venezuela. (Peru, however, seems to be very close to doing so.)

3. It will be difficult for U.S. leaders like Marco Rubio and Bob Menendez to reach out to the supporters of MUD and other Opposition forces if we end relations. Venezuela could move to block American media access to the country if ranks are broken. Rubio recently spoke on a Venezuelan channel to show support for the people of the country and to bash Maduro.

We can be more effective in countering, opposing and weakening the Maduro Regime by doing all of the things I listed in my post above.

I also support providing aid to the opposition, like John Bolton has suggested.
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SATW
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 08:34:28 PM »


Uh, no he isn't. I'm not sure what is so "good" about dictators who are oppressing their own people.
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SATW
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2017, 08:39:16 PM »

Uh, no he isn't. I'm not sure what is so "good" about dictators who are oppressing their own people.

You mean like Trump and the Bush crime family?

You know what this comment reminds me of? A video I watched of British journalists interviewing ex-Stasi members. They asked the ex-Stasi members if they regret any of their disgusting actions. The two men responded by saying no and by accusing Americans and Brits of being war criminals.

How's it feel to be on the same logic train as ex-Stasi members? There is nothing good about a dictatorship ripping apart a country that was once the gem of South America.

The Chavez-Maduro legacy will be one of heartbreak, destruction, autocracy and terror.
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SATW
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2017, 08:49:19 PM »

The Chavez-Maduro legacy will be one of heartbreak, destruction, autocracy and terror.

I think you've got that confused with the Reagan/Bush/Gingrich/Trump legacy.

There is literally no comparison to be made between Bolivarian Authoritarianism and Republican Politics.

You are derailing this topic by making non-existent comparisons that are also wildly inappropriate.
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SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2017, 08:51:11 PM »

There is literally no comparison to be made between Bolivarian Authoritarianism and Republican Politics.

I know. The Republicans are WORSE!

Goodbye troll.
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SATW
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 04:10:47 PM »

Uh, no he isn't. I'm not sure what is so "good" about dictators who are oppressing their own people.

You mean like Trump and the Bush crime family?

You know what this comment reminds me of? A video I watched of British journalists interviewing ex-Stasi members. They asked the ex-Stasi members if they regret any of their disgusting actions. The two men responded by saying no and by accusing Americans and Brits of being war criminals.

How's it feel to be on the same logic train as ex-Stasi members? There is nothing good about a dictatorship ripping apart a country that was once the gem of South America.

The Chavez-Maduro legacy will be one of heartbreak, destruction, autocracy and terror.
Association fallacy.

Ah, but saying U.S. Republicans are worse than Maduro isn't a fallacy? ridiculous.
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SATW
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 04:11:29 PM »

There is literally no comparison to be made between Bolivarian Authoritarianism and Republican Politics.

I know. The Republicans are WORSE!

Goodbye troll.

In fairness, Sunrise, Bandit is no troll. He believes every word of his BS.

Every time I start to wonder if the sheer stupidity of most Trumpista posters makes me question whether I'm OK with my party registration, Bandit comes along and reassures me.

That's true, Bandit has always been consistently crazy.
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