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Junior Chimp
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« on: November 29, 2015, 01:36:19 AM »

No. Creationism is not fact, nor is it another "side of the argument". If there was a religion that was spewing that "2 + 2 = 5" and that both should be taught, wouldn't that be counterproductive? People have a right to teach and learn what they want in their own homes, not mine. If you have a moral objection to being taught, or having your child taught evolution, find a private school. Public schools are to inform, not to indoctrinate personal views.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2015, 02:38:31 PM »

No. Creationism is not fact, nor is it another "side of the argument". If there was a religion that was spewing that "2 + 2 = 5" and that both should be taught, wouldn't that be counterproductive? People have a right to teach and learn what they want in their own homes, not mine. If you have a moral objection to being taught, or having your child taught evolution, find a private school. Public schools are to inform, not to indoctrinate personal views.
Except Macroevolution is also a personal view.
It's a personal view like 2 + 2 is 4. It's fact.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 09:19:38 PM »

No. Creationism is not fact, nor is it another "side of the argument". If there was a religion that was spewing that "2 + 2 = 5" and that both should be taught, wouldn't that be counterproductive? People have a right to teach and learn what they want in their own homes, not mine. If you have a moral objection to being taught, or having your child taught evolution, find a private school. Public schools are to inform, not to indoctrinate personal views.
Except Macroevolution is also a personal view.
It's a personal view like 2 + 2 is 4. It's fact.
Alright prove it's a fact. Where you there? Did you see the beginning of time?
I wasn't there, but neither was a floating sky god. If you would like proof of evolution, look up a book. Check out some biology textbooks or read the Smithsonian's Natural History page. Personally, I care very little of what people believe about Evolution, just as long as it doesn't affect education or my personal well being.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 04:09:18 PM »

No. Creationism is not fact, nor is it another "side of the argument". If there was a religion that was spewing that "2 + 2 = 5" and that both should be taught, wouldn't that be counterproductive? People have a right to teach and learn what they want in their own homes, not mine. If you have a moral objection to being taught, or having your child taught evolution, find a private school. Public schools are to inform, not to indoctrinate personal views.
Except Macroevolution is also a personal view.
It's a personal view like 2 + 2 is 4. It's fact.
Alright prove it's a fact. Where you there? Did you see the beginning of time?
I wasn't there, but neither was a floating sky god. If you would like proof of evolution, look up a book. Check out some biology textbooks or read the Smithsonian's Natural History page. Personally, I care very little of what people believe about Evolution, just as long as it doesn't affect education or my personal well being.
Oh, I hadn't realized that you had spoken to "floating sky God" and asked Him if He was there. I also hadn't realized He told you He wasn't there. I also hadn't realized that books written by humans who were not also there held all the answers. I also hadn't realized that the all knowing lower case g god that is the Smithsonian was at the beginning of time and told you how the world began, despite being younger than America.
By the way, I have read many biology textbooks. Those that support Creationism, though I still recognize that they could be just as wrong as your Evolutionist textbooks.
First off, I haven't spoken to the "floating sky god" because he doesn't exist. Secondly, books written by people who weren't there is really the basis of literature, I mean was any Modern Historian alive for Julius Caesar? We have a incredible amount of proof of The Big Bang, Lucy, and the lead-up to who we are today. The difference between Evolution and Creationism is facts pure and simple. I would be extremely willing to accept Creationism/God in my heart if they had facts our their side. I wish they had the same attitude, but today we face polarization and the reluctance to look at the other side. It's sad really.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 11:25:42 PM »

No unless you beleive this is a Christain nation which would be undermining the constitution.
Doing the opposite would imply that this is an atheist nation which would be undermine the constitution.

Do you believe secularism=atheism? Jesus, this thread is so discouraging.
Well, atheism is also a religion. So, no, no I don't.
Literally the opposite of religion. Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Atheism is the belief in no god. The constitution and I believe in the separation of church and state, this is not a Christian Nation, nor an atheistic one. We are built on freedom of religion, and that includes separating religious beliefs from our government.   
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 12:06:31 PM »

No unless you beleive this is a Christain nation which would be undermining the constitution.
Doing the opposite would imply that this is an atheist nation which would be undermine the constitution.

Do you believe secularism=atheism? Jesus, this thread is so discouraging.
Well, atheism is also a religion. So, no, no I don't.
Literally the opposite of religion. Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Atheism is the belief in no god. The constitution and I believe in the separation of church and state, this is not a Christian Nation, nor an atheistic one. We are built on freedom of religion, and that includes separating religious beliefs from our government.   
Atheism is a religion because a religion requires faith in something you cannot prove. Nothing more, nothing less. You cannot prove without a doubt that the Big Bang and Evolution happened any more than I can prove without a doubt that God is real.
The thing is I have faith that the sun will come up every morning, doesn't mean I worship the sun. These are some sources that I think credibly prove Evolution + The Big Bang to me. There is little I can say that will prove to you that evolution is real, you are acting like there is the same amount of proof for both the existence of God + evolution. There is an OVERWHELMING amount of proof for evolution, versus God. Which is fine, but don't compare the two evidence-wise

Sources:

http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/astro/cosmos/bb_evid
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 09:54:44 PM »

No unless you beleive this is a Christain nation which would be undermining the constitution.
Doing the opposite would imply that this is an atheist nation which would be undermine the constitution.

Do you believe secularism=atheism? Jesus, this thread is so discouraging.
Well, atheism is also a religion. So, no, no I don't.
Literally the opposite of religion. Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Atheism is the belief in no god. The constitution and I believe in the separation of church and state, this is not a Christian Nation, nor an atheistic one. We are built on freedom of religion, and that includes separating religious beliefs from our government.   
Atheism is a religion because a religion requires faith in something you cannot prove. Nothing more, nothing less. You cannot prove without a doubt that the Big Bang and Evolution happened any more than I can prove without a doubt that God is real.
The thing is I have faith that the sun will come up every morning, doesn't mean I worship the sun. These are some sources that I think credibly prove Evolution + The Big Bang to me. There is little I can say that will prove to you that evolution is real, you are acting like there is the same amount of proof for both the existence of God + evolution. There is an OVERWHELMING amount of proof for evolution, versus God. Which is fine, but don't compare the two evidence-wise

Sources:

http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/astro/cosmos/bb_evid
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
I'm not acting like there is an equal amount of proof, because I know that there is boatloads of proof for God's existence. Your proof is a link to a website, my proof is the world, all its complications had to be because of an intelligent creator.
You don't have faith the sun comes up, you know the sun comes up, you've seen it happen before. Furtherly, you don't have to worship something to be in a religion.
Also, I will compare the two evidence-wise, because that's how you come up with your own opinions on things.
My proof is also the world around me. You, me, everything created by we with opposable thumbs is proof of evolution technically. You can say you know all the proof you want, but if we want to go on proof to proof debate then I'd enjoy seeing Noah's Ark or the Holy Grail. As I said I do not really care what people believe, but when you say evolution, a process that has an ENORMOUS amount of tangible evidence is comparable to the evidence of there being a god, then you lose me.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2015, 02:45:25 AM »

No unless you beleive this is a Christain nation which would be undermining the constitution.
Doing the opposite would imply that this is an atheist nation which would be undermine the constitution.

Do you believe secularism=atheism? Jesus, this thread is so discouraging.
Well, atheism is also a religion. So, no, no I don't.
Literally the opposite of religion. Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Atheism is the belief in no god. The constitution and I believe in the separation of church and state, this is not a Christian Nation, nor an atheistic one. We are built on freedom of religion, and that includes separating religious beliefs from our government.   
Atheism is a religion because a religion requires faith in something you cannot prove. Nothing more, nothing less. You cannot prove without a doubt that the Big Bang and Evolution happened any more than I can prove without a doubt that God is real.
The thing is I have faith that the sun will come up every morning, doesn't mean I worship the sun. These are some sources that I think credibly prove Evolution + The Big Bang to me. There is little I can say that will prove to you that evolution is real, you are acting like there is the same amount of proof for both the existence of God + evolution. There is an OVERWHELMING amount of proof for evolution, versus God. Which is fine, but don't compare the two evidence-wise

Sources:

http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/astro/cosmos/bb_evid
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
I'm not acting like there is an equal amount of proof, because I know that there is boatloads of proof for God's existence. Your proof is a link to a website, my proof is the world, all its complications had to be because of an intelligent creator.
You don't have faith the sun comes up, you know the sun comes up, you've seen it happen before. Furtherly, you don't have to worship something to be in a religion.
Also, I will compare the two evidence-wise, because that's how you come up with your own opinions on things.
My proof is also the world around me. You, me, everything created by we with opposable thumbs is proof of evolution technically. You can say you know all the proof you want, but if we want to go on proof to proof debate then I'd enjoy seeing Noah's Ark or the Holy Grail. As I said I do not really care what people believe, but when you say evolution, a process that has an ENORMOUS amount of tangible evidence is comparable to the evidence of there being a god, then you lose me.
Let's talk about proof, I'd enjoy seeing Evolution actually happen, but i won't. The Holy Grail isn't in the Bible, it isn't real. As for Noah's ark, it probably decomposed already. Furtherly, I point to DNA; how did this chemical wind up in every one our cells? Not only that, but it just so happens to be a chemical that is the programming for us. Also, there is the fact that, despite the amazingness of DNA, it isn't the only thing that makes us who we are.
I was using the Grail as an foolhearty example, but my point was that I'd like to see the "boatloads" of proof that God exists, compared to the enormous amount of proof that evolution provides. As for your last part, I lose you a bit. I agree that DNA doesn't make up who you are as a person fully that requires personality, hobbies, etc. I also agree that DNA is a great thing, but if you point is that because DNA is in us, that's proof of god, you lose me. Evolution is an ever growing and understanding process, and it's not perfect, but it sure has a whole lot of answers to how we got to be us.
This is about the start of DNA if you were confused on it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/
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