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« on: December 07, 2018, 08:17:10 PM »
« edited: December 07, 2018, 08:43:56 PM by Polarized Elastic Libertarian MT Treasurer »

I (or someone else?) will/should bump this thread after the election. Tongue

Overrated
- John Cornyn (R-TX): Everyone seems to assume that he’s more popular than Ted Cruz, but I don’t think there’s any actual evidence for that claim. If anything, I’d argue that he’s easier to take out than Cruz. Of course he might get lucky if the national environment is better for the GOP in 2020 than this year, but I’m not convinced that he’s unbeatable.
- Gary Peters (D-MI): Peters doesn’t exactly strike me as an incumbent who will run far ahead of the presidential nominee, so I don’t get why some people think this is Likely D if the presidential race is close (in which case MI would almost certainly be within 3%). Of course he’s unlikely to lose in a good year for Democrats, but he’s not going to survive a "great" year for Republicans, and arguments about the lack or poor "candidate quality" of the GOP bench are pretty overblown here IMO. I’m getting Bill Nelson vibes both from him and Cornyn.
- Steve Daines (R-MT): This has been discussed ad nauseam. There’s no way Daines, who got very lucky in 2014, is "heavily favored" if Bullock runs against him. Of course people are going to argue that "increasing polarization" and the fact that this is a Senate and not a gubernatorial race are going to hurt Bullock, but Jon Tester did 23 points better than Clinton in a federal race even though turnout was a higher than in 2016 (which you’d assume would benefit a Republican in a Senate race in a "red" state) and Trump actively campaigned against him. Didn’t matter, even though polarization is supposedly at an all-time high. Hmmm...
- Pat Roberts (R-KS): Given how badly he underperformed in 2014 (a GOP wave year), I have a hard time believing that someone like Svaty wouldn’t at least give him a scare in 2020. The state is also trending Democratic.

Underrated
- Joni Ernst (R-IA): I don’t really buy that this race is more winnable for Democrats than Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, Kansas, Montana, Alaska, etc., especially if the presidential race is close. Sure, Ernst isn’t quite safe, but unless 2018 is a Democratic tsunami I don’t think there’s much Democrats can do to win here. She’ll probably run ahead of Trump, even if it’s just by 1%-3%, and that should be enough. It’s true that Ernst is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer, but somehow I doubt that’s going to hurt her among swing voters, lol. Ask Senator Rosendale how easy it is to defeat an incumbent who capitalizes on their "populist veteran farm [girl/boy]" shtick.  
- Susan Collins (R-ME): People can scream about "polarization!" all they want, but she won with nearly 70% of the vote in 2014 and is still fairly popular. Sure, obviously hardcore Democrats who view her as a "fake moderate" won’t vote for her, but she doesn’t need their votes in a Republican-trending Clinton +3 state. Just because every state voted the same way for Senate and president in 2016 doesn’t mean that it’s guaranteed to happen again in 2020. I think Collins wins this by 5%-12% or something like that, depending on who the Democrats nominate.
- Steve Bullock (D-MT): He’s more likely to be the Rick Scott/Maggie Hassan of 2020, certainly not a Bayh or Bredesen like this forum seems to think.
- Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH): The fact that many actually think this will be a competitive race is pretty hilarious. Some people never learn.
- Mark Warner (D-VA): Simply because pretty much every VA Democrat is underrated these days. This race isn’t "Lean" or "Likely" D, it’s Titanium D no matter what. Period.
- Doug Jones (D-AL): Yeah, it’s not looking good for him, and I’m not saying that he’ll win, but rating it Safe R probably goes a bridge too far, especially since we don’t even know his opponent yet. Also, Jones is a far stronger incumbent than Heitkamp or McCaskill (who still outperformed Clinton by a lot despite "polarization") and red states have shown an openness to splitting tickets that we haven’t really seen in blue states in a long time, which is why it’s entirely plausible to say that Jones is (slightly) more likely to win than Gardner.
- Mitch McConnell (R-KY): No explanation needed, lol.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 01:41:57 PM »

Overrated:

- Steve Daines - He's not a weak incumbent or anything like that and is definitely a stronger candidate than Rosendale (I'd say he's about on par with Dennis Rehberg), but he's not the unbeatable titan some make him out to be (sort of like how Ohio leans Republican, but it's not the diehard bastion of Trumpist Republicanism that the CW now makes it out to be*).  While Bullock is definitely the best Democratic candidate here, I don't think we need him to beat Daines (it'd definitely help though).  The Democrats seem to have a decent bench here and a very strong state party, but obviously Bullock would be ideal.  I really hope Bullock doesn't think he can win the Presidential primaries because...well...lol. 

Underrated:

- Various Montana Democrats not named "Steve Bullock" - See the section about Steve Daines

Yes, I strongly agree with this. At first I thought the "unbeatable Titanium Tester" thing was just because he’s a Democrat who people adore even more than your average Democrat because he’s a fairly liberal "populist" from a "Republican WWC state" or whatever, but now it’s pretty clear that people just tend to (dramatically) overrate Montana incumbents in general, regardless of party affiliation (well, unless their name is Greg Gianforte, perhaps Tongue). Tester is a stronger incumbent than Daines for sure, but they both got really lucky in 2014 and 2018, respectively, and they’re by no means unbeatable.
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