French presidential election, 2022

[DavidB.]

2. So many xenophobic references to "the other" and a message of hate towards anyone who isn't traditional French, white catholic etc.... and yet Zemmour himself is a rather foreign looking little nebbish who is himself a North African Jew - in other words he himself personifies the exact type of person who the French right has traditionally "othered" and vilified...

Then again, it was often noted that some of leading Nazis who went on and on about the German master race were very UNaryan-looking weaklings (i.e. Hitler and Himmler). Hitler was rather dark and swarthy and was rumoured to be part Jewish and Himmler was apparently a very effeminate child who played with dolls and would dress like a girl...he went on to spearhead the Nazi attempt to exterminate gay men....sigh. Its almost too facile to see the self-hate at work with these guys

Very classy to compare a Jewish candidate for public office to Nazis and to comment on his appearance in a way you would never do with a black, Muslim or female candidate.

[DavidB.]

As for access - well, aside from the reasons that lead to more hesitancy (of which religious disinformation is one, but clearly not a majority one seeing as not even close to one in six French people is that religious for a start), there are questions of direct access to the vaccination. For example, it's no secret that public transport links and car ownership, especially in the outer reaches of the banlieues, are far worse than in the city centres or privileged suburbs. It's not just a case of hopping on the metro to your nearest vaccination centre. For example, La Courneuve has, what, one metro and one RER stop for a population of 45'000; is completely surrounded by motorways and has long standing problems with retail provisions including a shortage of pharmacies and doctor's surgeries. Of course those things are all going to present an actual phyisical barrier to being vaccinated. All the more so when you consider that people living in those places are more likely to work in service jobs (security guards, caissières, deliveroo couriers...) that mean working irregular hours; as well as less access to thinks like childcare which all make the 2+ hours it takes to go get vaccinated that much more complicated than Hypolite De Montmarson who lives in Neuilly and can easily take a couple of hours away from his home office. So yes, there are genuine questions of access.

As for La Courneuve, no one needs to take the metro or the RER for 2+ hours. I just looked it up because I wondered about your assertion, and it turns out you can get it right there in the neighborhood, even on Saturdays (here as well).

And yes, of course working class people are going to have more irregular working hours, and I'm the last person to tell others they should get the vaccine (I believe it should 100% be a personal choice and the passports are a disgrace to liberal democracy and should go), but given that they've been universally available since June at least, I don't think that's any inhabitant's reason not to take the vaccine at this point. In fact, it's probably significantly easier in the banlieues than it is in remote rural villages.

[DavidB.]

Will there be any live stream for exit polls/results?

[DavidB.]

By good FP I mean he’s  the only president not to hate on America when we do stuff but then expect us to be a sugar daddy for them .

That's a rather Trumpist understanding of what NATO is. America isn't a "sugar daddy" but rather an actor that understands perfectly well that its geopolitical power will suffer a serious blow when it loses Europe. And Europe has good reasons not to count on America too much. Too often America has taken our participation for granted in its adventures around the world. Frankly it is about time that we start embarking on a more sovereign course. And in that regard Macron may disappoint not me, but you.

[DavidB.]

The only good thing about this election is Jadot & Pecresse failing to get 5%. Now they have to ask people to donate to finance their campaigns. Unfortunately, lots of people will be stupid enough to actually do that.

Pretty impressive hate for a candidate you probably agree with on 90% of the issues. Infighting on the French left has truly reached a level I thought only the Dutch right wing was capable of (sorry for Tenderposting).

[DavidB.]

But I do think there is a lot of inner self hatred there. Not only of himself, just look at what an absolute pipsqueak the guy was in certain debates stuttering and chundering like a total beta. But also of his community ; Zemmour would be the kind of Israeli "nationalist" that despises 60-70% of Israel's population. In the end he thought that Petain was justified in giving foreign Jews, and saving French ones. So he would have been a Kapo, 100% he would have betrayed fellow Jews to save his own personalist political ambitions in such a scenario. So this man is an anti-Semite.

Have to agree with this. For me, the proof was in his derogatory comments with regard to the victims (children) of the antisemitic terror attack in Toulouse, disapproving of the family's decision to have the children buried in Israel (where there are fewer maniacs desecrating Jewish graves than in France). According to Zemmour, being buried abroad means "you want to be considered a foreigner" and reject France. Absolutely vile, and it reveals both a deeply sick level of self-hatred and a complete lack of decorum: even if you happen to think this way, why would you ever say it? So incredibly painful to the surviving relatives. For these reasons I wouldn't have voted for him.

(Disagree with using the term "kapo" here though - kapos did horrible things but they were made to do horrible things by a murderous system that aimed to dehumanize Jews by making them do unspeakable things because they could lose their lives every second of the day. We cannot judge them as fortunately we have no idea what we would do in their place. On the other hand, Zemmour can chill on a yacht in Saint-Tropez every day of his life, no one forces him to talk sh**t about victims of terror attacks).

[DavidB.]

Embarrassing for Le Pen given she ran literally the most Shorpilled campaign possible. Moderated a ton and still got blown out. Have to think her career is over.

Does RN really have anyone else though? Although maybe they'll be eclipsed by Zemmour's party or something for 2027.

Maréchal I guess. IDK perhaps a more mainstream right wing candidate contests the second round in 2027.

She's now with Zemmour and his party, and she would without a doubt do worse than Marine.

[DavidB.]

When I zoom in to Moselle, I see that most communes have gone to Le Pen, but there is a contiguous north-south corridor for Macron in the Western part, which broadly follows the A31 highway from Luxembourg all the way down south. It contains the area of Metz - it is obvious why it voted for Macron - but also some (post) industrial areas with small towns in the border area (Thionville and surroundings) that voted for Macron quite strongly, which I didn't expect. Does anyone knowledgeable about French politics know why this specific part voted for Macron? It's somewhat counter-intuitive to me. Commuters to Luxembourg, perhaps?