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  Do you support Catalan independence from Spain? (search mode)
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Author Topic: Do you support Catalan independence from Spain?  (Read 2510 times)
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Junior Chimp
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« on: September 09, 2017, 11:04:56 PM »

No. It's time to stop breaking independent countries into small, weak pieces. Not a fan of "what the people want", either. The people's nationalistic feelings are easily manipulated by politicians.

If not "what the people want", then who??? Authorities? What if i don't give a damn about them?Huh?

On issues of Independence, if the conquest was recent or if the situation becomes unsustainable and painful for both sides, the elected leaders should negotiate on terms. If the public likes these terms, they'll keep these leaders in office or vote for them in the first place.
I'm a supporter of representative democracy on issues that require a clear knowledge of issues and consequences, especially if said issues cause strong emotions that are exploitable by populist leaders, such as nationalism. Brexit was a very obvious case of the people choosing something because of exploitation of their emotions and sometimes blatant lies from the Yes side, a choice many are regretting now that the consequences are clearer.

Proof would be nice pls.
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Intell
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,812
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: -6.71, S: -1.24

« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2017, 08:54:46 PM »

No. It's time to stop breaking independent countries into small, weak pieces. Not a fan of "what the people want", either. The people's nationalistic feelings are easily manipulated by politicians.

If not "what the people want", then who??? Authorities? What if i don't give a damn about them?Huh?

On issues of Independence, if the conquest was recent or if the situation becomes unsustainable and painful for both sides, the elected leaders should negotiate on terms. If the public likes these terms, they'll keep these leaders in office or vote for them in the first place.
I'm a supporter of representative democracy on issues that require a clear knowledge of issues and consequences, especially if said issues cause strong emotions that are exploitable by populist leaders, such as nationalism. Brexit was a very obvious case of the people choosing something because of exploitation of their emotions and sometimes blatant lies from the Yes side, a choice many are regretting now that the consequences are clearer.

Proof would be nice pls.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-leave-voters-remain-worst-event-2016-eu-referendum-european-union-a7500571.html

Admittedly, most Yes voters probably stubbornly stand with their decisions, just like Trump voters. But I do think some are regretting it now that the nationalistic lies about healthcare were exposed. Referendums on issues such as independence let populist politicians exploit emotions and lie, and that is something I can't support. If thr people of Britain truly wanted Brexit, thry should've gotten Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage elected.

Now compare that to people who would now vote leave, and you'd have the exact same % of people who vote for Yes. Of course democratic referendums in regards to the interest of one's country is now exploiting emotions and lie.

Again you're making a logical fallacy saying people who wanted brexit wanted Farage or Johnson. Leave voters came from different parties, Labour, Conservative, UKIP, SNP, LibDems. Most of these voters kept with their own party, and conservatives voted for Theresa May, who afterwards was very pro brexit, just as they would've voted for Johnson.
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