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Intell
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« on: February 23, 2017, 07:53:15 PM »

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Intell
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 09:18:38 PM »

The idea that WV's and working class people, can't be persuaded to vote for left-wing parties, and left-wingers if there was a candidate that spoke to their concerns and to their ideals is ridiculous.

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Intell
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 01:06:38 AM »
« Edited: May 15, 2017, 05:22:47 AM by Intell »

1. Big money has been tried and it hasn't worked for the Democrats. Hillary got WAY more money than Trump and still lost. Democrats have lost seats they shouldn't be losing. Take 0 corporate money and maybe people won't think you're a sellout or some establishment shill. Maybe you'll get a bit less money, but then what do you do? Go all over the place talking about how your opponent takes big money donations (as Republicans tend to do), and about how your average donation is twenny seven dollahs.

Lol. That doesn't work as well as you think it does. Most voters really don't care. Again, not everyone sees everything in the same way that you do. The attack ads airing all over the state are much more
effective then the target of said ads speaking in random bars or wherever

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Most of those people, while not well off, aren't actually starving. They're often just rich enough to be primarily concerned with social issues. Those who are are often less interested in programs to help the poor and more interested in making themselves well-off enough to not need it.

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Roll Eyes Why do I even argue with you...
The idea that WV's and working class people, can't be persuaded to vote for left-wing parties, and left-wingers if there was a candidate that spoke to their concerns and to their ideals is ridiculous.



http://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem

Someone who has a lot more experience with white rural america then you.

Considering that they voted for democrats  in the past, many of them including McGovern and Mondale, I'm not going to take the article as the truth.

 I don't know what your problem is with the democratic party be a party of the under-privileged and the working class is (as a left-wing party should be), unless it's driven by blatant classism.

Also the article was so stupid, I don't know where to begin.
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Intell
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,812
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E: -6.71, S: -1.24

« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 06:50:32 PM »

1. Big money has been tried and it hasn't worked for the Democrats. Hillary got WAY more money than Trump and still lost. Democrats have lost seats they shouldn't be losing. Take 0 corporate money and maybe people won't think you're a sellout or some establishment shill. Maybe you'll get a bit less money, but then what do you do? Go all over the place talking about how your opponent takes big money donations (as Republicans tend to do), and about how your average donation is twenny seven dollahs.

Lol. That doesn't work as well as you think it does. Most voters really don't care. Again, not everyone sees everything in the same way that you do. The attack ads airing all over the state are much more
effective then the target of said ads speaking in random bars or wherever

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Most of those people, while not well off, aren't actually starving. They're often just rich enough to be primarily concerned with social issues. Those who are are often less interested in programs to help the poor and more interested in making themselves well-off enough to not need it.

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Roll Eyes Why do I even argue with you...
The idea that WV's and working class people, can't be persuaded to vote for left-wing parties, and left-wingers if there was a candidate that spoke to their concerns and to their ideals is ridiculous.



http://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem

Someone who has a lot more experience with white rural america then you.

Considering that they voted for democrats  in the past, many of them including McGovern and Mondale, I'm not going to take the article as the truth.

 I don't know what your problem is with the democratic party be a party of the under-privileged and the working class is (as a left-wing party should be), unless it's driven by blatant classism.

Also the article was so stupid, I don't know where to begin.


Bluntly, I doubt  courting the voters who last went for democrats under Bill "end welfare as we know it" Clinton would be good for the democratic party.

They went to Clinton last, yes, but Clinton and his third-way policies merged in with social liberalism, was the reason of the death of the democratic party in these areas.

In anyway, many working class areas in WV, especially strong coal mining ones stayed democratic until 08' and before someone cries RASCISM against Obama as the swing was as sharp as the swing against Kerry.

Working Class areas in coal mining and other working class areas in eastern PA, went democratic until the last election, as did many working class areas across the nation.

Whatever anyone wants to attack the working class for voting against their interests, they have historically in every election been more democratic than the more white middle/upper-class people of their state/county.

Being a leftist is being an egalitarian for all groups of society, that all working class people should vote for a left-wing party, as you are anti-egalitarian to a group in society, you forfeit your right to be called a leftist.
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