What is your opinion on Republicans who support Donald Trump?

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They're one of:
1.Idiots who've fallen for a con artist
2.Loony conspiracy theorists
3.Greedy wealthy people

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You guys are so insulated in your liberal bubbles you can't even imagine a good person who happens to support Trump. Get help.

I don't know about 'good' but there are a lot of fairly nice people who are idiots who support Trump and a lot of loony conspiracy theorists are intelligent.  My experience with the handful of Nazi types that I know is that they're surprisingly happy go lucky (this is a very small sample size, but I have read a number of other people who've made the same observation.)

So, in that sense, they're not necessarily horrible people but they are, at best, useful idiots for Trump.

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Bigots and grifters.

Bigots and grifters.

That's all Republicans, not just Trump supporters.

Why don't you shut up and try to understand people who think differently from you. These people are not bigots nor grifters.

I could say the same about you: that you don't understand people who think differently from you.  Or that you're butt-hurt that you've been called a bigot or a grifter because you know that it's true.

If you want to make an argument, present a case of how a decent person can support Donald Trump.

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You guys are so insulated in your liberal bubbles you can't even imagine a good person who happens to support Trump. Get help.

Today at 06:12:29 am

In the impeachment megathread I posted a letter from Mike Gallagher to my GOP mother expressing his grave concerns about Donald Trump.

I went to middle and high school in Denmark, WI, in the heart of conservative rural northeast Wisconsin. I went to evangelical churches for over 10 years. My parents (both GOP) and in-laws still live in Green Bay and Appleton, and my in-laws are white, 60-something evangelicals.

With respect, sir, liberal bubble my a**.

If, today, 10 Oct 2019, you still stand by this president, you either lack morals and a love of this country, you are willfully ignoring the facts, or you are delusional. There aren't two sides to this.

Yes there is rofl

There is clearly the side where people understand Trump is at the very least a bad person (if not worse) but also understand that the office of the presidency is one principally involved in signing off on laws and the direction of the country. A president is not a pope. The alternative to Trump for millions of Americans is someone who believes government and the laws it creates should be fundamentally different from their core beliefs. Of course most people value the practical over some supposed moral requirement to vote for laws they don’t support or believe in.

People are also tired of liberals trying to shame them into agreeing to liberal policies on moral grounds. Liberals do this all the time and it is honestly incredibly annoying to anyone who does not agree with them.

Plenty of conservatives would be perfectly happy with a Marco Rubio or Mitt Romney as president, and plenty of conservatives remember when the left of center media painted Romney as a terrible person as a result of his committing the sin of being the Republican nominee for president. Thus we arrived at a terrible boy who cried wolf scenario in which no one cared when everyone screamed and cried about what a sh**tty person Trump is, even if most of them know it to be true. They just don’t care because they want to see the policies they want enacted by government enacted by government, just like liberals do. It isn’t even about winning, it’s about believing the country respects your beliefs and will, some of the time, enact laws that correspond to those beliefs.

It’s basic human psychology. When you label people deplorable simply because they don’t agree with your ideas they don’t care what you have to say even when you’re right.

From another thread.  But, about Justin Trudeau.  I don't think even wearing blackface compares to the demonstrated crimes and other impeachable offenses Trump has committed.  Or the evils of many of his policies.  Substitute Trump for Liberals or Justin Trudeau.  

The relationship many progressives have with the Liberals borders on a protection racket. They have single handedly eliminated the one policy that would allow for a progressive alternative to the Liberals and Tories, and then have the chutzpah to play up fear of a Tory government if progressives don't forgive their myriad of sins against progressive politics.

Thus, we see progressives voting for Justin the Blackface Pipeline Mogul to defend against Tory racism or climate inaction or something. It's surreal. I genuinely pity the NDP/Greens and their supporters for having to put up with this nonsense.

Except given what Trump has done, I don't pity his supporters, I regard them as horrible people.  Maybe rather than whining about being thought of as horrible, they should consider what they are accepting putting up with.

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One thing that seems to have been over looked in this regarding any investigation into Joe Biden and his son.  The Justice Department is supposed to be independent from the President.  Certainly the relevant Justice Department employees can investigate this matter if there is anything to it, and they can contact Ukrainian officials if need be, but for the President to do it is an abuse of power plain and simple.

It's no different than a President (like Richard Nixon) demanding that his enemies be audited.  Given Trump's ease with abusing his office, I'd be surprised if Trump hasn't already done that.

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If everybody just put cinyc on ignore or stopped responding to his nonsense, he'd probably go away.