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Question: if Trump wins the 2024 presidential election, should we accept the results of the election knowing full well that if the roles were reversed, Republicans would not return the favor?
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Yes
 
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« on: May 05, 2024, 04:11:17 PM »

Assuming it's not some kind of state legislature coup and an actual legitimate victory, then yes, we will have to accept the consequences America has brought onto itself and hope for the best.

Ultimately, there are millions of people living in China, Russia, and other countries who figure out how to be happy despite not living in a free country, and we'll have to try to see if we can too.

Trump is more like Berlusconi, Netanyahu or at worst a Yeltsin(though even the latter is going to far) than Xi or Putin .
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OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2024, 05:54:14 PM »

Assuming it's not some kind of state legislature coup and an actual legitimate victory, then yes, we will have to accept the consequences America has brought onto itself and hope for the best.

Ultimately, there are millions of people living in China, Russia, and other countries who figure out how to be happy despite not living in a free country, and we'll have to try to see if we can too.

Trump is more like Berlusconi, Netanyahu or at worst a Yeltsin(though even the latter is going to far) than Xi or Putin .

Do you think Netanyahu would outright deny it if he loses in Israel's next general election? Would he try dozens of frivolous lawsuits to get himself declared the winner (as in not extra recounts or whatever, just a judicial coup on the people)? After those failed, would he send a violent mob to the Knesset to try to overthrow the Israeli government by force?

I don't think he would. Netanyahu is beyond terrible, but he's not on Trump's level. Putin and Xi, however, would have no qualms about using violence to hold on to power if that's what it took.

I mean Bibi did allege voter fraud cost him power : https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-alleges-election-fraud-accuses-rival-duplicity-2021-06-06/

The reason Bibi could not do what Trump did is because Israel did not have anything like the Electoral Count Act which is what Trump tried to use to overturn the election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act#

This act got greatly amended in 2022 so no President has the tools to do what Trump did after 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022


With this change, the US actually has by far the hardest system to turn into a dictatorship. The constitution is almost impossible to amend, most law enforcement agencies are run at a state and local level, federal elections are still run at a state and local level , The House is up every 2 years , and the Senate has something called a filibuster which makes it difficult for any one President to push through a good deal of their agenda without bipartisan support.

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