Opinion of Mike Pence

[OSR stands with Israel]

The best Vice President in my lifetime and I would say even the second best in my parents lifetime (ford wasn’t VP long enough). So voted FF

[OSR stands with Israel]

Still HP, but one who obviously would have been much more massive HP had he obeyed the then-President’s orders. It also doesn’t hurt my opinion of Pence that refuses to endorse Trump; I was afraid he would endorse Trump (which would have been absolutely pitiful. Come on. If you’re someone who would voluntarily, graciously endorse the raging tangerine psychopath that wanted you dead—and who endangered your family as well—you are a rather sad and pathetic individual).

Would you say he was a better VP than Quayle or Cheney

[OSR stands with Israel]

Still HP, but one who obviously would have been much more massive HP had he obeyed the then-President’s orders. It also doesn’t hurt my opinion of Pence that refuses to endorse Trump; I was afraid he would endorse Trump (which would have been absolutely pitiful. Come on. If you’re someone who would voluntarily, graciously endorse the raging tangerine psychopath that wanted you dead—and who endangered your family as well—you are a rather sad and pathetic individual).

Would you say he was a better VP than Quayle or Cheney

I honestly say no. Pence did do the right thing in the end, but he fed into the big lie prior to that point and he also enabled Trump's worst impulses for four years. Quayle was dim overall, but not a very damaging/consequential VP, and while Cheney was awful for obvious reasons (3rd worst after Agnew and Pence), he didn't enable a wanna be autocrat the way Pence did.

I mean one of Cheney's core belief's was unitary executive authority and believed it far more than Pence did.

Also it is clear from Trump's admin that Pence did keep Trump more conventional policy wise while Cheney took W on the wrong direction. Hell Iraq started to turn around when W fired Rumfeld and replaced him with Gates so even the handling of such policy was done disastrously by Cheney in a way it was not by pence.

[OSR stands with Israel]

When people accuse Pence or Haley of enabling for 4 years , I want to know what do you think they should have done . Our system is purely democratic meaning voters get full say over what they view as red lines or not and a red line for 45% of the country was the fact that they expected their party to stand by Trump . Republicans who didn’t were removed from office and replaced by republicans who were far more Trumpy on policy too so what good did that do for the country .

The fact is it’s easy sitting on the sidelines to say they should have stood up to Trump more when you are just a spectator, it’s very different doing it in practice . The fact is it’s not republican politicians who are responsible for Trump and the past 8 years should have shown there is actually very little they could have done about it but rather the voters who are responsible for Trump . Nixon in 1974 when he was forced out had seen his approvals drop to 24% and they were dropping by the day so that comparison doesn’t apply here .

It’s a hard truth for many on here and the media to understand but the fact is 45% of the country supports Trump and given we live in a democracy the politicians who are elected by that section of the country are gonna support Trump too .

So the real question is did they break the law on behalf of Trump and Mike Pence did not