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« on: September 09, 2023, 02:56:37 PM »

You quite like it, huh? Which part do you like the most- the country currently brutally invading its neighbor, murdering innocents and raping little girls? Or maybe the country currently geocoding an ethnic minority and using force to put formerly democratic societies under oppressive authoritarianism? Oh, oh, how about the country in the tweet OP, soon to join them, that kills women for being immodest and executes gay people for existing? Do you like seeing your country’s flag next to theirs?
What a silly little rant this is, even if BRICS is something that many people put too much expectations into. People serious about diplomacy know you work with anyone and everyone to push what you want done. That's why, we worked with the Russians in order to try to get the Iranian nuclear deal to work out. Realists who knew how to get the job done...career foreign  affairs ministry bureaucrats in America and elsewhere who help make international solutions possible. The deal fell apart because Trump left it...and trust in us (rightfully) declined as a result (where we misstep as a country we should be judged for it). And now nuclear proliferation risk is on the up, instead of the down.
This attitude your post espouses is not how you run a foreign policy and if this was the attitude of our great bureaucracy, then we'd deserve to be a second-rate power, we'd deserve it. Coordination with other countries is important for global stability. Both when we are operating with a cloak and dagger, and when we are shaking hands.

By this standard, Joe Biden merely offering Putin a meeting in Oval Office on the eve of February 22nd indicts him, because he'd be seen walking alongside Putin himself had the latter taken him up on the offer.

Fortunately the bureaucracies of both Russia and America are saner in dealing with each other than the most inflexible partisans of either are towards the other. In fact, our intelligence community's awareness of what is going on in Putin's Russia is a product of our successful ethos in dealing with them.

Yes, making a common currency and integrating with genocidal states is the exact same as negotiating with them to achieve concrete purposes. I'm a IR grad, "realists" don't impress me.

Realists won the Cold War and helped bring down one of the most evil empires that ever existed . The US moving away from realism is why our FP has mostly sucked since the end of the Cold War . We can easily stop stuff like this happening if we became less ideological in foreign policy and had a more realism based foreign policy .

No , that does not mean we have to become pro Russia , it just means we have to work with some of these nations in a more transactional basis .
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OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2023, 03:15:44 PM »

You quite like it, huh? Which part do you like the most- the country currently brutally invading its neighbor, murdering innocents and raping little girls? Or maybe the country currently geocoding an ethnic minority and using force to put formerly democratic societies under oppressive authoritarianism? Oh, oh, how about the country in the tweet OP, soon to join them, that kills women for being immodest and executes gay people for existing? Do you like seeing your country’s flag next to theirs?
What a silly little rant this is, even if BRICS is something that many people put too much expectations into. People serious about diplomacy know you work with anyone and everyone to push what you want done. That's why, we worked with the Russians in order to try to get the Iranian nuclear deal to work out. Realists who knew how to get the job done...career foreign  affairs ministry bureaucrats in America and elsewhere who help make international solutions possible. The deal fell apart because Trump left it...and trust in us (rightfully) declined as a result (where we misstep as a country we should be judged for it). And now nuclear proliferation risk is on the up, instead of the down.
This attitude your post espouses is not how you run a foreign policy and if this was the attitude of our great bureaucracy, then we'd deserve to be a second-rate power, we'd deserve it. Coordination with other countries is important for global stability. Both when we are operating with a cloak and dagger, and when we are shaking hands.

By this standard, Joe Biden merely offering Putin a meeting in Oval Office on the eve of February 22nd indicts him, because he'd be seen walking alongside Putin himself had the latter taken him up on the offer.

Fortunately the bureaucracies of both Russia and America are saner in dealing with each other than the most inflexible partisans of either are towards the other. In fact, our intelligence community's awareness of what is going on in Putin's Russia is a product of our successful ethos in dealing with them.

Yes, making a common currency and integrating with genocidal states is the exact same as negotiating with them to achieve concrete purposes. I'm a IR grad, "realists" don't impress me.

Realists won the Cold War and helped bring down one of the most evil empires that ever existed . The US moving away from realism is why our FP has mostly sucked since the end of the Cold War . We can easily stop stuff like this happening if we became less ideological in foreign policy and had a more realism based foreign policy .

No , that does not mean we have to become pro Russia , it just means we have to work with some of these nations in a more transactional basis .

Google Mearsheimer and his takes on the war.

Oh his takes are awful but I wouldn’t really consider himself a realist as his FP ideas go against our interests.

What I mean more is we should work with nations on transactional basis to advance our interests and undermine China and Russia even if it means compromising some of our ideological goals . For example with India , neither major party is gonna back us on Ukraine (Rahul Gandhi praised Modi for his handling of the conflict) but that does not mean it’s impossible for them not to take actions that will hurt Russia .

For example if we made a weapons or energy deal with them , then they wouldn’t need Russia as much in either situation and that would end up hurting Russia which advances our interests and at the same time still gives India what they want materially which advances there interests.

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