Ben Shapiro burns Barbies

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Ben probably views anything that is Feminine to be woke in general so even if it upholds gender roles , he would still hate it.

I don't see the point of outrage though, cause I dont see the issue with a movie that is made mostly for Females because they are 50% of the country so of course it makes sense for Hollywood to make a movie based on popular girl toys too. Like I am not gonna watch this movie because movies like this are not made to appeal to someone like me, but thats perfectly ok because not every movie has to appeal to everyone.

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Critical Drinker is great, though. He's not 100% right and there are some things he has said I disagree with completely, but he raises a lot of good arguments about flaws in pieces of modern media.

Now, if we are talking about Geeks + Gamers, they are the real deal. A group of bona fide racist pieces of s**t who idolize Trump and genuinely resent the fact that white straight males aren't anymore the only game in town when it comes to franchise films.

Geeks + Gamers is a huge fan of Cobra Kai which is a show which many of the main characters are not white males so this point is lol worthy.


Geeks + Gamers along with Star Wars Theory are both great channels that get too much hate

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Critical Drinker is great, though. He's not 100% right and there are some things he has said I disagree with completely, but he raises a lot of good arguments about flaws in pieces of modern media.

Now, if we are talking about Geeks + Gamers, they are the real deal. A group of bona fide racist pieces of s**t who idolize Trump and genuinely resent the fact that white straight males aren't anymore the only game in town when it comes to franchise films.

Geeks + Gamers is a huge fan of Cobra Kai which is a show which many of the main characters are not white males so this point is lol worthy.

Is that the equivalent of having a black friend?

Uh no because Geeks and Gamers is not racist. Like many Star Wars fans he was pissed with what Disney did with it

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Critical Drinker is great, though. He's not 100% right and there are some things he has said I disagree with completely, but he raises a lot of good arguments about flaws in pieces of modern media.

Now, if we are talking about Geeks + Gamers, they are the real deal. A group of bona fide racist pieces of s**t who idolize Trump and genuinely resent the fact that white straight males aren't anymore the only game in town when it comes to franchise films.

Geeks + Gamers is a huge fan of Cobra Kai which is a show which many of the main characters are not white males so this point is lol worthy.

Is that the equivalent of having a black friend?

Uh no because Geeks and Gamers is not racist. Like many Star Wars fans he was pissed with what Disney did with it

Disney heavily marketed a black character in one of the films and then sacrificed him just for drama.
Many in the black community were probably annoyed at that.

Finn was the most interesting character by far out of all the new characters in the ST and they completely sidelined him for Rey who was a terribly written character.

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Uh no because Geeks and Gamers is not racist.

Yes they are.

Reva was a horribly written character, which is why her character got hate and not because of racism.

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Reva was a horribly written character, which is why her character got hate and not because of racism.

And they knew that before even watching the show, hence the racist attacks on the actress.

You are not even a Star Wars fan and said you find Star Wars fans weird so the points you are making here are lol worthy.

Also please link the original video if you are claiming this rather than just linking another youtuber calling Geeks and Gamers raicst.

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Reva was a horribly written character, which is why her character got hate and not because of racism.

And they knew that before even watching the show, hence the racist attacks on the actress.

You are not even a Star Wars fan and said you find Star Wars fans weird so the points you are making here are lol worthy.

Also please link the original video if you are claiming this rather than just linking another youtuber calling Geeks and Gamers raicst.

1) You studiously avoided answering my question why they started the racist attacks on the actress before even watching the first episode of the show.

2) They pull the same s**t when it comes to the Marvel shows and movies too.

Can you link the video where he does that or screenshot part of the video where there is proof of him doing that before the show came out

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Can you link the video where he does that or screenshot part of the video where there is proof of him doing that before the show came out

Cope.

He literally goes of a leak which in many ways turned out to be accurate so this doesn’t really prove your point .

Anyway the video of the channel you keep posting is a huge fan of the sequel trilogy and the Last Jedi and his explanation for why the Last Jedi is good sucks badly too .

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He literally goes of a leak which in many ways turned out to be accurate so this doesn’t really prove your point .

You mean like all the Atlas members posts about how much DeSantis sucks weren't proving our point?

Dude you have admitted you don’t really like Star Wars so you can’t really act like you know why we like different movies/shows or dislike . Star Wars like I said as a ton of Expanded Universe and most hardcore fans of the franchise have probably read 25+ Star Wars books (if not 40+) so we have a good idea of what we will expect from shows/moves from leaks .

I myself have read over 35 Star Wars books(mostly back  when I was in high school and a freshman in college) .

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I don't really understand why he (and other conservatives) have such an emotional reaction to this movie.  Like others here, it doesn't appeal to me at all, so I will therefore never buy a movie ticket to see it, but to go the extra mile and actively burn barbie dolls shows you have bigger problems (perhaps unaddressed issues from childhood?) that require therapy.  

Dude, have you followed these guys the last 5-6 years?
This is nothing compared to their meltdowns about Captain Marvel, The Last Jedi, Ghostbusters 2016, She-Hulk, Charlie's Angels 2019, Eternals, Rings of Power, Obi-Wan, etc.

The Last Jedi was an awful movie that wrecked  Star Wars . The fact that you are defending it is lol worthy

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I don't really understand why he (and other conservatives) have such an emotional reaction to this movie.  Like others here, it doesn't appeal to me at all, so I will therefore never buy a movie ticket to see it, but to go the extra mile and actively burn barbie dolls shows you have bigger problems (perhaps unaddressed issues from childhood?) that require therapy.  

Dude, have you followed these guys the last 5-6 years?
This is nothing compared to their meltdowns about Captain Marvel, The Last Jedi, Ghostbusters 2016, She-Hulk, Charlie's Angels 2019, Eternals, Rings of Power, Obi-Wan, etc.

The Last Jedi was an awful movie that wrecked  Star Wars . The fact that you are defending it is lol worthy

First of all, show me where I defend the movie. In my opinion it's a meh film that doesn't deserve neither the praise, not the vitriol it gets.

Second, the movie's quality is totally irrelevant. Even if it was "Battlefield Earth" and "Plan 9 From Outer Space" level bad that wouldn't excuse the obsessive behavior of these hateful man-babies who for the last six years refuse to move on and are still churning out one video after another about how awful the Last Jedi is, how much of a Mary Sue is Rey, or how woke Rian Johnson's script is. This is unhealthy behavior but it's only typical that a Meatball Ron stan like you is unable to see it.   

The majority of the Star War's fan base hates The Last Jedi regardless of their political affiliation. The problem btw with The Last Jedi is not that it is woke but that it completely disrespects decades of Star Wars lore.

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The majority of the Star War's fan base hates The Last Jedi regardless of their political affiliation.

Source?

Look at the audience score: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

Look at how much hate it gets on Star Wars related forums and even redditt(which is a very liberal site politically) .

Just look at how much worse Star Wars related media has done since the Last Jedi came out as well then it was doing from 15-17.

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The majority of the Star War's fan base hates The Last Jedi regardless of their political affiliation.

Source?

Look at the audience score: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

Look at how much hate it gets on Star Wars related forums and even redditt(which is a very liberal site politically) .

Just look at how much worse Star Wars related media has done since the Last Jedi came out as well then it was doing from 15-17.

It's been well-documented that the Last Jedi was one of the most notorious victims of review-bombing (along with Captain Marvel) and the reason why RT changed the way it calculates audience scores.

The rest of your argument is pure idiocy. No self-respecting person takes seriously what a bunch of edgelord teenagers say in reddit and 4chan.  

Ok where else do you expect me to get this data from given there are no official polls taken of this type of stuff. Star Wars related forums/board is the best source available since its the forum which has the most passionate Star Wars fans.

A Normie viewer who kinda likes Star Wars is very different than the Star Wars fan who has read 25+ books, played multiple video games, watched episodes 1-6 multiple times, talked about Star Wars a lot with friends etc  .

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There's no reason to assume that the vast majority of them didn't. Having seen The Last Jedi, the only thing I find surprising about the audience score is that it isn't 0%. And the fact that RT "recalibrated" its audience scores in order to be lenient towards megacorporate products like these is hardly something to celebrate.

"The Last Jedi was a bad movie" and "The Last Jedi was review-bombed by terminally online misogynistic weirdos" are not mutually exclusive from each other.

You act like only people on the far right hate the movie lol. Many many diehard Star Wars fans hate the movie regardless of their political views and believe that the Last Jedi wrecked the franchise.  The reason it got review bombed is cause of the fact that it did wreck the franchise and given how large the Star Wars fandom is, it is not a surprise there were a lot of people who posted negative reviews.

People who are not in the Star Wars fandom don't get how large the Star Wars hype was from 2014-2017 and how the vast majority of people who went on to despise the TLJ, were super excited for the movie all through 2016 and 2017.

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There's no reason to assume that the vast majority of them didn't. Having seen The Last Jedi, the only thing I find surprising about the audience score is that it isn't 0%. And the fact that RT "recalibrated" its audience scores in order to be lenient towards megacorporate products like these is hardly something to celebrate.

"The Last Jedi was a bad movie" and "The Last Jedi was review-bombed by terminally online misogynistic weirdos" are not mutually exclusive from each other.

Why would "misogynistic weirdos" attack The Last Jedi's audience score but not The Force Awakens? Both films had the same (female) protagonist. Stop doing Disney's marketing work for them. You're defending low-effort fanfic drivel being produced on an assembly line by a company that uses important social causes as easy fallback excuses when their products fail. Even if 5% of the negative reviews actually came from misogynists (a generous assumption), that doesn't explain why you and Lyndon feel the need to defend these abominations like they're your family members.

The argument these people make that the reason the fandom hated the ST is because the main character was not a White Male is so lol worthy given the character most fans were excited for going into TFA was Finn who is not white.

 

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Last Jedi is 6.9 on IMDB which means the consensus of viewers is that it is a good movie. 🤷

It also got a 2.2 out of 5 on Google Reviews, 4.1/10 on Metacritic(from Users) so the vast majority of major sites where fans get to cite their opinions are giving it terrible reviews. 

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Last Jedi is 6.9 on IMDB which means the consensus of viewers is that it is a good movie. 🤷

As I said, I don't love the movie. But it's certainly better than the awful Rise of Skywalker which gets only a fraction of the hate of Last Jedi.

Rise of Skywalker is a worse movie but the reason is thanks to the damage that was already done by then to a storyline.

The main villain was killed off by then, we barely saw any of Rey's Training, Finn had already been cast aside and the New Republic was shown to be all but destroyed by then. Rise of Skywalker basically was a hail mary pass but the reason they had to throw a hail mary was thanks to all the things that happened before it.

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Last Jedi is 6.9 on IMDB which means the consensus of viewers is that it is a good movie. 🤷

It also got a 2.2 out of 5 on Google Reviews, 4.1/10 on Metacritic(from Users) so the vast majority of major sites where fans get to cite their opinions are giving it terrible reviews.  

2 / 3 is not vast majority lol

Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 42%(the audience score) as well and 6.9 is not a good score for a blockbuster franchise on IMDB.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 got 6.6 for example

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There's no reason to assume that the vast majority of them didn't. Having seen The Last Jedi, the only thing I find surprising about the audience score is that it isn't 0%. And the fact that RT "recalibrated" its audience scores in order to be lenient towards megacorporate products like these is hardly something to celebrate.

"The Last Jedi was a bad movie" and "The Last Jedi was review-bombed by terminally online misogynistic weirdos" are not mutually exclusive from each other.

But immune to the force and all it's magic, and had to make it with his own brains and brawns. Something like what Han Solo was in the original but with the brother twist.

So like the Yuuzhan Vong

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Why are we talking exclusively about the Last Jedi? It's not like these limp-dicked sexist morons don't hate movies which otherwise were well-reviewed and uncontroversial.

Right, who could forget the infamous review-bombing of Alien and Terminator 2? Those sexist nerds clearly hate those movies since they starred women.

Or the Original Trilogy where one of the main protagonists was female.

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Why are we talking exclusively about the Last Jedi? It's not like these limp-dicked sexist morons don't hate movies which otherwise were well-reviewed and uncontroversial.

Right, who could forget the infamous review-bombing of Alien and Terminator 2? Those sexist nerds clearly hate those movies since they starred women.

Or the Original Trilogy where one of the main protagonists was female.

This reminds me of some incel loser who after a racist tirade against Moses Ingram said on his channel that he and his ilk can't be racist because they like the original trilogy where Lando Calrissian is a major character.
That's the kind of sharp thinking you'd expect from a mouth breathing, Trump voting, sexually frustrated bigot.

Do you have the capability to respond without using personal attacks cause you have not substantively responded to a single post on here.

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Why are we talking exclusively about the Last Jedi? It's not like these limp-dicked sexist morons don't hate movies which otherwise were well-reviewed and uncontroversial.

Right, who could forget the infamous review-bombing of Alien and Terminator 2? Those sexist nerds clearly hate those movies since they starred women.

Or the Original Trilogy where one of the main protagonists was female.

This reminds me of some incel loser who after a racist tirade against Moses Ingram said on his channel that he and his ilk can't be racist because they like the original trilogy where Lando Calrissian is a major character.
That's the kind of sharp thinking you'd expect from a mouth breathing, Trump voting, sexually frustrated bigot.

Do you have the capability to respond without using personal attacks cause you have not substantively responded to a single post on here.

Why do you care whether I attack some racist assholes on youtube?
I didn't see you clutching your pearls when these brain-damaged losers were sending death threats to actors they didn't like because of the color of their skin.

when did Geeks+ Gamers do this.

Anyway the Star Wars youtube channel I watch the most is Star Wars Theory, but I have never seen Geeks+ Gamers do this(granted I only watch their videos occasionaly). If they have can you show evidence of this and yes I would agree with you that they are horrible if they have done that.

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The Last Jedi was the best of the sequels, but that doesn’t mean it was a good movie; in fact the movie was something of a mess. We have the fleet fleeing in something which feels like a few days, at the same time the adventure of Finn & Ross feels like it happens over a few week, while Rey arc feels like months. Poe’s arc is a confusing mess and a great example of tell don’t show.

Finn repeats his arch from the first movie and is continued undercut and humiliated for little reason. Kylo Ren arc is a mess but do work. Rey is robbed of the little character she had from the first movie and end up mostly a tool to move the plot along, the only times she seems a real character is when she interact with Kylo Ren.

The entire trip to rich casino world is a complete waste of time and only serve as a failed FU to original trilogy (Del Toro’s character is meant to be a deconstruction of Han Solo and …. sigh….subvert our expectations, and instead it all just seem meaningless and stupid).

The Luke arc works but just seems mean spirited and a general FU to people who likes Star Wars (like most of the people seeing the movie). Leia being a force user are fine, but Admiral HR manager have the potential to be an interesting character, but is undercut by her interaction with Poe not making a whole lot of sense.

At last Rian Johnson’s love for burning everything down and leave things as flaming ruins is not what the second director in a trilogy should do. I do think that as the first film in a trilogy this could have been an interesting strategy and then have used the second movie to have the character fight to establish a new status quo.

All in all Rian Johnson is just as much a gimmicky director as Abrams and both was terrible choices as directors for Star Wars but for different reasons. But I also agree with Landslide Lyndon that the biggest sin was the lack of overarching story for the trilogy. They knew it was a trilogy, they should have planned for a narrative running through all three movies.

Overtime I have come to blame the Force Awakens more too because while at first I thought it was the 5th best movie in the Saga(behind episodes 3-6), as time passes I realize how much it helped cause the issues of the sequels.

1. It was The Force Awakens that decided to basically destroy the idea of a New Jedi Order and have Luke walkaway and while yes The Last Jedi could have showing him train an order in secret, the fact is it would have been much easier to show the New Jedi Order in Episode 7.

Sure you could show its in turmoil with many of its members joining the Knights of Ren but we should have seen the New Jedi Order

2. Han was basically turned back into a Smuggler here and it would have been much better if he was shown as an Admiral of the Republic Military

3. Leia again was turned back into a rebel fighter when we should have seen her as a full fledged Jedi as well as a politician like both her biological mom and her adoptive father.

4. The First Order being able to build something like Starkiller base is completely lol worthy and it made no logical sense for them being able to do that in secret.

5. Trying to repeat Luke's story with Rey was a disaster and helped create the whole storyline around what her lineage was and that was just not needed. Rey should have been introduced out of the gate as the daughter of Luke Skywalker and shown as a Padawan near the completion of her training.



If Episode 7 had started out strong with all these plot points defined and didnt take the soft reboot/mystery box approach, then the worst things in episode 8 would not have happened to begin with.

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The Last Jedi was the best of the sequels, but that doesn’t mean it was a good movie; in fact the movie was something of a mess. We have the fleet fleeing in something which feels like a few days, at the same time the adventure of Finn & Ross feels like it happens over a few week, while Rey arc feels like months. Poe’s arc is a confusing mess and a great example of tell don’t show.

Finn repeats his arch from the first movie and is continued undercut and humiliated for little reason. Kylo Ren arc is a mess but do work. Rey is robbed of the little character she had from the first movie and end up mostly a tool to move the plot along, the only times she seems a real character is when she interact with Kylo Ren.

The entire trip to rich casino world is a complete waste of time and only serve as a failed FU to original trilogy (Del Toro’s character is meant to be a deconstruction of Han Solo and …. sigh….subvert our expectations, and instead it all just seem meaningless and stupid).

The Luke arc works but just seems mean spirited and a general FU to people who likes Star Wars (like most of the people seeing the movie). Leia being a force user are fine, but Admiral HR manager have the potential to be an interesting character, but is undercut by her interaction with Poe not making a whole lot of sense.

At last Rian Johnson’s love for burning everything down and leave things as flaming ruins is not what the second director in a trilogy should do. I do think that as the first film in a trilogy this could have been an interesting strategy and then have used the second movie to have the character fight to establish a new status quo.

All in all Rian Johnson is just as much a gimmicky director as Abrams and both was terrible choices as directors for Star Wars but for different reasons. But I also agree with Landslide Lyndon that the biggest sin was the lack of overarching story for the trilogy. They knew it was a trilogy, they should have planned for a narrative running through all three movies.

Overtime I have come to blame the Force Awakens more too because while at first I thought it was the 5th best movie in the Saga(behind episodes 3-6), as time passes I realize how much it helped cause the issues of the sequels.

1. It was The Force Awakens that decided to basically destroy the idea of a New Jedi Order and have Luke walkaway and while yes The Last Jedi could have showing him train an order in secret, the fact is it would have been much easier to show the New Jedi Order in Episode 7.

Sure you could show its in turmoil with many of its members joining the Knights of Ren but we should have seen the New Jedi Order

2. Han was basically turned back into a Smuggler here and it would have been much better if he was shown as an Admiral of the Republic Military

3. Leia again was turned back into a rebel fighter when we should have seen her as a full fledged Jedi as well as a politician like both her biological mom and her adoptive father.

4. The First Order being able to build something like Starkiller base is completely lol worthy and it made no logical sense for them being able to do that in secret.

5. Trying to repeat Luke's story with Rey was a disaster and helped create the whole storyline around what her lineage was and that was just not needed. Rey should have been introduced out of the gate as the daughter of Luke Skywalker and shown as a Padawan near the completion of her training.



If Episode 7 had started out strong with all these plot points defined and didnt take the soft reboot/mystery box approach, then the worst things in episode 8 would not have happened to begin with.

Yes, Abrams was every bit as much a disaster as Johnson, his mystery box destroyed Star Wars. But honestly the worst about Rey is the lack of character and the fact that she’s completely reactive. If Abrams had gone the route he did with her, she should have had more character than being lonely and being reactive.

I honestly liked the idea of building up the sequels up around Finn which the Force Awakens played with, and I think Rey should have been a desert rat; competent, hard and with a bit of cruel egoism, she also should not have had any mysterious past, she should simply be a orphan surviving in a cruel world. I think Poe should have been either Luke’s or Leia and Han’s child, with Kylo Ren being his cousin.

Han should not have returned to smuggling, I don’t care what he is doing, but he should do something new. Leia should simply be a politician and Luke should be training Jedi’s in a hidden temple safe from attacks by dark side users.

Yeah fully agreed and you didnt have to change that much of TFA to do this.

- You could have introduced Han as the head of the New Republic Spy Agency or something when he meets Rey and Finn in the Millennium Falcon

- Introduce Leia as the Chancellor of the Republic who is meeting secretly with the resistance

- Have Starkiller base be the Star Forge(an ancient, automated shipyard that greatly helps the First Order create their military)

- Have Finn be the Jedi, while Rey follows in the footsteps of Han Solo

- At the end of the movie Finn is the one who heads to Ahch-To to meet Luke where you see him training the New Jedi Order in secret. In later movies you can see that Finn would not need as much training as the other Padawans in the Order because he already is heavily trained in combat, and he would just need to learn how to use and control his force abilities.

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Saw that this thread had expanded to seven pages. Braced myself for what I assumed was going to be an absolute flame War involving Bunches of gratuitous dunking on trans people. To my pleasant surprise it was merely Pages after pages of tail-chasing debate over how to objectively judge a movie and applying said standards or lack thereof to The Last Jedi.

Progress for Atlas I guess?

I mean debates over Star Wars can become just as heated as debates over trans issues too